BMV opening back up, so I have an appointment. My Nevada title calls this 72 H/O I have as a "442" under model. It's a 34257 body Cutlass Supreme Holiday Coupe with a big engine and ostentatious paint job by the numbers, commonly referred to as Hurst/Olds.

So I need to list a model. I think it's technically a Cutlass Supreme. I may put up with 442 as a model, even though it is incorrect. I am getting the VIN inspected by the law tomorrow at my home so I don't have to take it to my BMV appointment later this month.

I'm thinking Cutlass Supreme, 442, or Hurst/Olds. Recommendations?

 

C/S. That's what it is. Nice and good luck! When you go to insure it, one of the classic car outfits will know what it is anyway.
Just make sure you insure it for an agreed value. $40 k through JC Taylor is what I have for my 66. The policy is less than $400 per year.

 

The title SHOULD be what the VIN says it is. There was no "442" model in the 1972 model year. The 72 H/O was never a 442, it was a Cutlass Supreme, which is what your VIN says it is.

 

That's a correct statement. My hesitation is that the car is more valuable than a Cutlass Supreme by a factor of at least 2x. Of course, it's already insured for a good value, so maybe not a big deal.

 

While I'm sure it has been done, how can the DMV use a model name on the title other than what the VIN says it is? Heck, if you care about insurance value, register it as a "Ferrari'. Seriously, say the car catches fire and burns to the ground. The only thing the insurance company will see is the VIN, and nowhere on the VIN does it say "442" or "Hurst/Olds". The fact that the title may say something different is irrelevant. You obviously need to be sure your insurance company knows exactly what the car is long before you need them.

 

Ok. Bugatti Veyron it is.

 

That works. Let us know what your insurance premium is.

 

All kidding aside, if you have declared value insurance, who cares what the title says?

 

I guess no one does. I never really cared for the performance packages being packages, but that's really what they were. The 68-71 442 models caused some issues while fixing others, I suppose.

 

Interesting dilemma. When I set up insurance on my 1987 442 which is an option also, I told them its a 442 not Cutlass Supreme but in my case the vin has a code that verifies the 442 option. So there can be no mistake in value.

I'm assuming that's not the case with a 1972 H/O ?

 

I took my 69 H/O to get the new title when I bought it. A younger woman was handling my title transfer and all that so the Missouri title had Make: Oldsmobile Model: 2dr Cpe on it. Nothing surprising. So she's checking the VIN and looking at the emblems that obviously says Hurst/Olds. I briefed her as to the car started life as a 442 and was upfitted. I'm guessing I was just pissing in the wind trying to explain it. On my application I put the make/model as Olds 442. So what does she do on the title? The make is: Olds and the model is: Hurst. I was expecting "442", "Cpe" or "2 dr" or something like that. I guess I should be glad it didn't say GTO on there or something.

Not that I care, but it's officially known to the state of SC DMV as a 1969 Olds Hurst

I'd do whatever makes you feel good about. Apparently it's not that big of a deal. But if I were filling out an application, I'd go with "CUT SUP" or "CUTLASS SUPREME" if it fit.

 

69CSHC, good point. A 72 H/O is a Cutlass Supreme Holiday Coupe or Convertible with either a U or an X in the engine digit in the VIN. There's nothing in the VIN differentiating it from a Cutlass Supreme ordered with a 455. The cowl tag has a specific paint code and a W car code, either 45 or 46. U Code 455 cars were W-45 and were basically the automatic 442. X Code 455s were W-46 and were basically 442 W-30 automatics.

69HO43, I'll see what the DMV lady thinks it should be based on the VIN like Joe said above. If I get a choice, I may go for Hurst/Olds, if not Cutlass Supreme. It's categorically NOT a 442, as it's the wrong hardtop body for that.

 

But... BUT... this was on the Interwebs, so it MUST be real.

 

Entertainment value aside, the first picture is a very good reference as to why the spoiler works on the S body and not the Supreme body in the stock configuration.

 

Same with convertibles, which have a similar roofline with the top up.

 

Man oh man, a beautiful car but all that time, money, and effort put in, and its a screaming fake.

So just like a 66 442 I had many years ago. No way to prove what it is without looking at the cowl tag. In my case I was lucky the car was built in Michigan and had the 5V code on it. But from what I understand if it was built in Fremont for example like my 69, they sometimes didn't put the code on tag.

Now its up to you and insurer to come to an agreement. In my case i was happy with the agreed value on the 66. But if I wasn't and they told me its just a Cutlass what would of happened. Would they need an expert to come look at the car....

 

I purchased a 1968 Hurst/Olds & 1968 442 W30 from the same individual - based on the VIN both were Oldsmobile 442 hardtops,
but the prior owner had the DMV clerk change the "MODEL" on the titles to "HURST" & "W30" respectively
yet, based solely on the VIN & prior title there was no proof of this now documented "FACT"

 

Sorry, the car is heavily insured on my classic car policy with my other cars. It's been that way since I bought it. I have not yet titled and registered it due to the 'Rona.

 

I would say the model is a Cutlass Supreme ( with an H/O option package) . My 1979 Trans Am is Titled as a Firebird ( with a T/A option package). The build sheet shows it's a T/A .Good Luck with whichever route you choose barring what the DMV says.

 

Depending on your state, you may not have a choice as the DMV uses specific codes and any deviation is not acceptable.

 

Indiana State Trooper came by this AM, looked at the vehicle, filled out the rest of the form that I put most of it in for, and gave it to me and left. Now I can take that form and all the other stuff to my DMV appointment here in a couple weeks and make with the legalese.

Guy about my age, full uniform, but a stealthed out road pirate Dodge Charger. I MAY have been pulled over by this guy about 6 years ago and given a warning.

 

Well, that orange thang must be real, here is one like it for sale on eBay..
rare 442 body style..

 

Too bad. If it's a real four speed Supreme, that would be cool. Frankly, loose the stripes and the Faux-Four-Two emblems and I'd drive it. Of course, not at $35K...

 

Great looking car and again what a shame.

Honestly guys I wouldn't be surprised if some people really don't know any better. They were likely taken and are just selling the car the same way.... I mean this ad is proud to display the vin number confirming its only a Cutlass Supreme, while they seem dead set on telling the world its a 442. In addition to the body style being wrong they list the engine as a 400....

 

The state fuzz signed my form that I had Cutlass Supreme on, so I think that's what mine will be on title, plus it's correct.

 

Somebody coulda at least taken the CS emblems off the C pillars.