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What does a 1965 El Camino weigh?
Features Engine Location : Rear Wheel Production Years for Series : 1964 - 1967 Price : $2,270-$2,460 Weight : 2930 lbs | 1329.026 kg
a guess
What does a 1965 El Camino weigh?
Features Engine Location : Rear Wheel Production Years for Series : 1964 - 1967 Price : $2,270-$2,460 Weight : 2930 lbs | 1329.026 kg
I have no idea where you found that, but the fact that it lists one weight for all four model years tells me that it's incorrect. FYI, the same NHRA Stock Classification Guides that I quoted above for the Olds numbers also lists the lightest 1964 Camino with 283 at 3053 lbs. A 1964 Chevy 300 Post Coupe (the bottom-feeder Malibu/Chevelle that year) also with 283 comes in at 2952 lbs.
Unfortunately, none of these weights list the assumptions. Empty or full gas tank, for example. That's 126 lbs right there. The NHRA numbers aren't shipping weights, they're weights for tech inspection.
Unfortunately, none of these weights list the assumptions. Empty or full gas tank, for example. That's 126 lbs right there. The NHRA numbers aren't shipping weights, they're weights for tech inspection.
Joe, are GM shipping weights listed at what the car would be with a full tank of gas?
Joe, are GM shipping weights listed at what the car would be with a full tank of gas?
They may have been back then, but I doubt it. Current practice is for just enough gas to get the car out the door, to the marshaling yard, on the trailer or train, and off the trailer at the dealer (or on and off another trailer or driven direct from the other end of the train ride.)
Pumping gas takes a while, and one pitch of the line is fuel fill, so you only have @55 seconds to put gas in it. This is a couple gallons at my company's plants.
Joe, are GM shipping weights listed at what the car would be with a full tank of gas?
They were never shipped with a full tank of gas. The factories put in just enough gas to do as Koda explained. Before the car was "delivered" to the new owner, the dealers would add a small amount of gas. The usual amount was 5 gallons.
They may have been back then, but I doubt it. Current practice is for just enough gas to get the car out the door, to the marshaling yard, on the trailer or train, and off the trailer at the dealer (or on and off another trailer or driven direct from the other end of the train ride.)
Pumping gas takes a while, and one pitch of the line is fuel fill, so you only have @55 seconds to put gas in it. This is a couple gallons at my company's plants.
Thanks for the reply.
The same practice was going on in the late 70's, my brother was doing P D I inspections at a GM Dealer and I remember him saying the cars were shipped with just enough fuel to basically load and unload.
I was wondering if the shipping weight would be calculated with a full tank of fuel but actually shipped empty. It would not be practical to ship with a full fuel tank.
As far as Olds goes from A to A/G to G body 1964-1988. 4 of the lightest RWD non compact 2 door V8s in history are;
1988 Cutlass Supreme Classic 3203 lbs curb
1964 F85 Club Coupe 3236 lbs curb
1980 W30 442 Cutlass Calais 3309 lbs curb
1966 W30 442 Club Coupe 3310 lbs curb
P.S. I don't believe the last W30 in history weighing almost identically to arguably Oldsmobiles greatest performer was a coincidence. It had to be paying Homage...
Originally Posted by BangScreech4-4-2
maybe a stripped '68 2-door post sedan would be a good candidate.
Definitely, a good candidate. Hot Rod Magazine tested such a car and proceeded to wring out every bit of performance she had. It was an ultra base factory stripped 310hp stick F85, HRM swapped in headers and advanced the timing.
5000 rpm launches and shifts with a 3.91 rear and slicks. 14.2 @ 96 MPH put her in "super-car" territory. Hot Rod Magazine June 1968
She wieghed 3330 lbs including spare tire in place...
Bernhard the Automobile Catalog may be your Huckleberry ...
They list both shipping and curb. And they use curb weights definition to it's maximum. All fluids full including gas, minus passengers and/or cargo.
They are saying a 1964 F85 club coupe 330 stick is 3236 lbs curb.
Same but 442 equipped, 3350 lbs curb.
Overall "A" body, 1964 Chevelle 300 2 door 283 V8 stick is 3097 lbs curb.
And a 1964 Chevelle Malibu Sport Coupe (SS) 283 V8 stick is 3119 lbs curb.
(The SS may have had us in weight but we smoked it in performance.)
I believe the Chevelle 300 is likely the lightest 2 door "A" body V8 within the original muscle era, in history.
Here she is.
Gotta love the clean, no-frills appearance of that '64 300! My Father had a '67 300 with the L79 327 and 4 speed. No radio or carpets. I also had a worn-out '64 SS. Great cars, great styling.
While there is some minor structural advantage to a post car that allows less internal bracing, the main reason is in the slightly smaller side glass and the significantly simpler window mechanisms. The post coupe windows ride in tracks in the door and quarter window frames. These support the glass laterally, so the regulator only needs to raise and lower it. On a hardtop or convertible the glass is cantilevered from the bottom, so the mechanisms and tracks are more complex and have a lot more adjusting screws for glass alignment.
Bernhard the Automobile Catalog may be your Huckleberry ...
Based on what? That they say so? How do you know that any information that is not traceable back to a factory document is correct? All I'm saying is, be skeptical. People say a lot of stuff. Some of it is even accurate.
The 100 pound difference between a 65 Hardtop Cutlass and a F85 Club is the chrome. An F85 has zero pot metal side trim, doesnt have the hood spear, or the rear die cast panel.
Also has a plastic dash, card board sunvisors, etc.
The 100 pound difference between a 65 Hardtop Cutlass and a F85 Club is the chrome. An F85 has zero pot metal side trim, doesnt have the hood spear, or the rear die cast panel.
Also has a plastic dash, card board sunvisors, etc.
July 22nd, 2022, 11:47 AM
