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Old Apr 13, 2020 | 04:19 PM
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Welding practice

Well, the sample spool that came with welder is empty.

Another few spools and I might actually make a good weld.

Hopefully, nothing will fall apart.


Needed a place to store driver glass and rear convertible window







Rocket sled in progress

Old Apr 13, 2020 | 04:48 PM
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Clever storage idea. Thank DeWalt, Makita and others for Grinders.......LOL. Looks like you are using very thick stock. Crank up the voltage. If you are using flux core wire, (and if your welder supports it) I strongly suggest you upgrade to using Shielding Gas, (MIG). Your welds will come out A LOT smoother, hardly any spatter. (much less grinding....... - ask me how I know..........)
Old Apr 13, 2020 | 04:50 PM
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Looks like you are coming along with it. To me MIG welding is like playing golf in that it is not near as easy as it looks and about as frustrating.
Old Apr 13, 2020 | 05:03 PM
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That's way better than my welding. I personally follow the old advice: "if you can't weld, weld a lot". The grinder takes care of the excess.
Old Apr 13, 2020 | 05:13 PM
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Use old heater hose slit along the length to protect the edges of your glass in storage. Welding stinks so I don't do it.
Old Apr 13, 2020 | 05:26 PM
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I was told once. Anyone can learn to weld in an hour. It's the 5 years of practice that's hard.
Old Apr 13, 2020 | 08:06 PM
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Another very important aspect of being able to weld well is having the proper helmet. An auto darkening helmet is a must.
Old Apr 13, 2020 | 08:51 PM
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[QUOTE=RandyS;1241316]Another very important aspect of being able to weld well is having the proper helmet. An auto darkening helmet is a must.[/QUOTE

x2. And don’t cheap out on one. The one i use at work is a miller performance series and it is far and away better then the cheap metal man brand I use at home. Just my two cents.
Old Apr 13, 2020 | 08:59 PM
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If you have an instruction manual with your welder, read it front to back. As stated buy yourself a gas bottle of C25 and learn to MIG weld. Better penetration. Also when running MIG always push the arc, don't drag it. My dad was a 50 year pipeline welder who taught me to weld when I was around 10 and I actually got better than he was.
Old Apr 14, 2020 | 04:33 AM
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Good idea- looks good!
Old Apr 14, 2020 | 04:57 AM
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Clearly not enough power for that thickness- Your mostly getting "patch-weld" to surface, not burning through material. And when you sand them down.. Welding is greatly compromised.
Tho those will still last on that use. That size welder is not anyways meant to weld really thick material- unless you cut atleast other part to 45 degree angle where it joins the other part. Then you start filling from the bottom, bead by bead. It should look like this " V " from the seam, and then you start filling from the bottom of that "vee". But it Still should melt the base material.

Auto-dim mask isnt any "must have" item.. More about preference. I dont like auto-dim masks, rather use the "conventional" mask. Even hand-held mask has it uses every now and then.

One thing i dont get- why are we always talking about MIG-welding, when ( thrown from hat) 90% of hobby-welding is actually MAG-welding, or shelf-shielded welding. Its industry standard to call everything just MIG- but why?
Old Apr 14, 2020 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Inline
One thing i dont get- why are we always talking about MIG-welding, when ( thrown from hat) 90% of hobby-welding is actually MAG-welding, or shelf-shielded welding. Its industry standard to call everything just MIG- but why?
Because most people do not know what the acronym stands for.
MIG - Metal Inert Gas. Just means solid wire filler and an inert gas to shield the puddle from oxygen to prevent oxidation while welding.
MAG - ? Is a term used to mean the wire has the flux imbeded into the wire or commenly called flux core.
Old Apr 14, 2020 | 09:13 AM
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I'm not a welder. I had a Father and Brother that were welders but their gone. I get by. Vision is important. As said previously get a quality hood, I have a Lincoln Viking with a "cheater" lense, it's like "reading glasses." Heat is critical for penetration. As also said, grind a bevel "V" after you tack weld, if you have a torch heat the weld area, then weld. Thicker stock, I "draw" circles, to get the most heat into the weld. Jmo.
Old Apr 14, 2020 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Inline
Clearly not enough power for that thickness- Your mostly getting "patch-weld" to surface, not burning through material. And when you sand them down.. Welding is greatly compromised.
Tho those will still last on that use. That size welder is not anyways meant to weld really thick material- unless you cut atleast other part to 45 degree angle where it joins the other part. Then you start filling from the bottom, bead by bead. It should look like this " V " from the seam, and then you start filling from the bottom of that "vee". But it Still should melt the base material.
X 2
1. Did you ever try that Certanium rod you mentioned for welding cast iron in another post a long time ago ?
2. You Sir, are a welder.
.........Just my .02 Oro's.

Old Apr 14, 2020 | 09:38 AM
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Wow! thanks for all the input.
It took me a while to realize all the youtube videos I was watching for MIG aren't exactly the best for flux core welding "drag the slag vs push" etc.
I guess I went a little overboard on the stock (but it was only 50 cents or so more expensive by the foot) sometimes I am my own worse enemy.

As suggested I think I will try the gas setup I have sitting on the shelf.
Also, I can switch it over to 230v
And the v of course.
Looks tight to get a V on the 90's (any tricks?)

Thanks again

Tim
Old Apr 14, 2020 | 11:19 AM
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An angle grinder is your friend. The 'V' is not mandatory if your welder can weld 'hot' enough. Going to 230v will help. Turn up the voltage but not the wire feed as much. This will make for a hotter arc. As mentioned, the idea is to melt the metal at the joints with the wire.
Old Apr 14, 2020 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by tkcutlass
And the v of course.
Looks tight to get a V on the 90's (any tricks?)

Thanks again

Tim
All you can do on the 90 is to V the mating piece as best you can. Then put a strong tack one side before welding the opposite side to prevent pulling and the joint not being 90 degrees.
Old Apr 14, 2020 | 05:21 PM
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You do understand that welding with flux core uses reverse polarity compared to MIG...right? Lots of horrible flux-core or MIG welding is because of backwards polarity.

Welding has made me an expert at grinding.

The best thing I ever did to improve my welding skill was to get rid of a 120-volt welder for a 240-volt welder.

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Old Apr 14, 2020 | 06:58 PM
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I had a hobart handler 180, When I ran out of the flux core it came with and got a bottle of 25/75 and a roll of normal wire my welds got infinitely better. Reverse the polarity when you do. The more you weld the better you get. Then I got married and the welder wasn't part of the plans in the new house .. . .Now I can probably buy another one.
Old Apr 14, 2020 | 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Schurkey
You do understand that welding with flux core uses reverse polarity compared to MIG...right? Lots of horrible flux-core or MIG welding is because of backwards polarity.
Do you know why it takes reverse polarity for flux core? The reason is because the heat from the arc goes into the wire first to enable the flux to melt and shield the weld puddle. When MIG welding the heat goes into the work producing a better penetrating puddle and therefore a smoother weld.
Old Apr 14, 2020 | 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by edzolz
Because most people do not know what the acronym stands for.
MIG - Metal Inert Gas. Just means solid wire filler and an inert gas to shield the puddle from oxygen to prevent oxidation while welding.
MAG - ? Is a term used to mean the wire has the flux imbeded into the wire or commenly called flux core.
No, MAG stands for Metal Active gas,

"MAG welding uses active shielding gases, primarily for the welding of steels. These shielding gases are mixtures of carbon dioxide, argon and oxygen. Examples of these active gases include CO2 , Ar + 2 to 5% O2 , Ar + 5 to 25% CO2 and Ar + 10% CO2 + 5% O2."

Copied shamelessly that jargon. Looking those shielding gases listed you get fast why we should be actually talking about MAG-welding most of the time.


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And the v of course.
Looks tight to get a V on the 90's (any tricks?)
Tim
Just do the best you can with the vee. Everything you get makes it stronger weld. If you weld really thick material, where the vee is deep and wide, then you kinda should re-work your tactic. There you would first weld the root shut, then both sides of the vee- creating buffer layer between the two parts. At last you fill the vee with welding. Hard to describe.

Originally Posted by OLDSter Ralph
X 2
1. Did you ever try that Certanium rod you mentioned for welding cast iron in another post a long time ago ?
2. You Sir, are a welder.
.........Just my .02 Oro's.
1. Actually yes, totally forgot to update. It behaved like nickel-rod, soft and easy to weld ( easy meaning = with really low amperage, so low local heat). Cant yet say anything about it lasting or not? Atleast it attached through old cast.

2. Nah, just working at CMM ( cold milling machine). And those suckers start to disintegrate pretty fast after new.

Sadly your 0.02 € is also 0.02 dollars

Hey btw, question out of the blue. 120 volts and 220 volts? Whats the thing? You have two different voltages at USA? Here we just have 230V, and then the welders are rated by the size of fuse, roughly 16A and 32A.
Old Apr 14, 2020 | 11:17 PM
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1. Actually yes, totally forgot to update. It behaved like nickel-rod, soft and easy to weld ( easy meaning = with really low amperage, so low local heat). Cant yet say anything about it lasting or not? Atleast it attached through old cast.

Sadly your 0.02 € is also 0.02 dollars

Hey btw, question out of the blue. 120 volts and 220 volts? Whats the thing? You have two different voltages at USA? Here we just have 230V, and then the welders are rated by the size of fuse, roughly 16A and 32A.
Thank you for the welding rod update. I thought I had missed it.

We have two voltages available here. Generally, heavy electrical load items like home air conditioners (cooling), heat pumps, electric kitchen stoves, electric clothes dryers and welders require 230V. 110-120V is used for everything else (lighting,small appliances, clothes washers and refrigerators). Small, cheaper, "hobbyist" MIG's use 120V and flux core wire.


Old Apr 15, 2020 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by edzolz
If you have an instruction manual with your welder, read it front to back. As stated buy yourself a gas bottle of C25 and learn to MIG weld. Better penetration. Also when running MIG always push the arc, don't drag it. My dad was a 50 year pipeline welder who taught me to weld when I was around 10 and I actually got better than he was.
I'm not an expert by any means but have a nice Miller and do pretty decent. I have done both ways, some experts say push, some say pull. I like to pull since I can see my puddle as I go along. I've been doing replacement panels etc and it does not matter then since your just giving a quick blast spaced apart to keep warp away'
Old Apr 15, 2020 | 02:20 PM
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Yeah, I always pull my welds too. Maybe push works better with stick welding?
Old Apr 15, 2020 | 04:25 PM
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Switched over to 230 and solid core with 75-25
better penetration but I have a ways to go.

on another note how do I drill through that 3/16 stock.
I think I killed a brand new bit without making it through





Old Apr 15, 2020 | 04:37 PM
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You are coming along nicely. Practice at different voltages and wire speed to get the desired effect. I have found when welding metal at an angle (like you are) you can often use the joint to guide the gun, thus creating a nice straight bead.
If you don't have a drill press, start with a small diameter bit, and then step up to the finished size you need. ex. start at 1/8", step to 3/16", step to 1/4" etc. Even an inexpensive drill press from HF will make your drilling heavy stock much easier.

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Old Apr 15, 2020 | 05:39 PM
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on another note how do I drill through that 3/16 stock. I think I killed a brand new bit without making it through

What size drill bit ? Drilling through hot rolled or cold rolled ? Usually, slower RPM's and more pressure makes the difference. Some oil helps also. Always start with a 3/32" to 1/8" pilot hole. Most drill bits don't cut in the center, unless they have had the "web" thinned or are "center cutting" drill bits.
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If you are using a light weight welder and thick metal i've always used a torch and heated ahead of my welds, this will get you better penetration and a smoother job. But there is nothing better/ easier than the correct equipment designed for the job at hand. Somehow I find myself driving tacks with a 3# single jack.... Tedd
Old Apr 15, 2020 | 06:47 PM
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I pull my FCAW welds, push my MIG welds. I'm probably the minority, but I prefer to weld aluminum over steel any day, and twice on Sundays. AL is just easier.

I'd love a more powerful personal garage welder. That said, I've yet to have any reason to do anything but FCAW 110v, whether it be thin sheet metal/body panel repair up through structural frame areas, even cast iron repair. I prefer to butt-weld sheet panels rather than crimp and overlay, did when I replaced panels on the Olds and patched the hood and fender pan on my tractor. I'd prefer a TIG to add heat without material, but nothing a strong hot wrench can't add.

To my eye, OP, look like not enough heat, too fast a weld, and not sticking to the seam. On a test panel, turn up the heat until you burn through, then dial it back until you don't. Also, in all honesty, I've found the Vulcan VCAW wire from harbor freight to lay even better beads than Lincoln.
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I just got this new forum app'd to me, a couple weeks ago: https://weldingsite.com/?utm_source=lmf
Old Apr 15, 2020 | 11:14 PM
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One thing which could ease you on training. You can pulse the weld with your finger, dont hold the trigger just on. That way it gives you time to actually inspect the weld you make, and Still keep the formed heat on weld. Try to aim for as low weld as possible, just barely over the surface(s) you weld, not high like in pictures.
Old Apr 26, 2020 | 07:33 AM
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Welder and supplies to build a $90 engine cradle $1500

Learning to weld Priceless?

Hoping to recoup some costs building things myself. (rotisserie and plenty of sheet metal work in my future)


230 V makes a big difference






Broke the nozzle on the new gloss black had to switch to hammered black

Not the prettiest and hopefully won't fall apart

Casters up next
Old Apr 26, 2020 | 04:41 PM
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Finished at last I give myself a C-






casters could use some help, they came with a shelving unit, I thing their aluminum nut may have stripped, time for a proper nut I think


Fits nicely under the bench giving access to some parts.

TH350, trunk lid, passenger door and rear bumper all from totaled 71 cutlass

Th400 and dual exhaust from donor car, still haven't found the his/hers shifter
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I finished this project today. It is a fully adjustable tire bead breaker and removal/installation tool that mounts to either fwd/aft receivers on my truck. Most of the materials are 1/4 wall and is made of 85% drops and repurposed steel. I’ve got about $25 invested not including wire/gas/electricity and of course time. I use a Miller 210. I’ve drilled the table for 5 on 4.75,5 on 5, GM 6 and 8 lug patterns (for now). The bead breaker attachment can be used on the table or by laying the wheel on the ground and using the lower pivot bracket points. I’ve been able to put a wheel as big as my wife’s 20” Yukon wheels on it. It’s been kind of a fun project and I’ve loved the frugality and functionality of it. I had both of my sons come out to have them use it on some old tires. Simple pleasures

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Old Apr 27, 2020 | 06:45 AM
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Weld splatter as well as grinder Sparks immediately attach themselves to any window glass in your car truck motorcycle house and render it scrap be careful
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