I was watching the most recent Mecum auction from Kansas City and saw this BEAUTIFUL 1970 442 convertible hit the block. Sold for "only" $23K and that seemed awfully cheap to me. Has the market softened on these if they are not considered a 5-star restoration (like Thornton does) or a real W-30?

Only thing I see that is suspect in these pics is the wrong engine paint color. The car was stunning in HD...curious to hear others thoughts.

http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_de...=KC1213-175426

Thanks

 

If it's the same one that I remember, I thought that they said that it was a clone?

 

Hmmmm...I never heard them say it was a clone and thought the auctioneer was saying it was going too cheap. But I could be wrong and the price would be more in line with that.

 

Look at where the 442 emblems ended up on the trunklid.

 

Looks like power drum brakes in the front to me. Clone.

 

Maybe it's the lighting, but that engine doesn't look like Olds Blue.

As far as price? If you watch a lot of the auctions it seems that Olds is the wallflower. Even some of the really nicely and properly restored 442s, W30's or W31's that cross the block seem to generate the interest of a Ford Pinto in the buyers eyes. I've always wondered why because Olds pioneered a lot of great performance and cosmetic features on their cars. I know that if my car was a 72 Chevelle instead of Cutlass S, there would be way more fans drooling over it. Brand and model seems to dictate prices to a large degree IMO.

 

I would bet if you seen it in person you would know why. (Not that I have)
Is that interior correct for a 70 442?

 

not sure what that has to do with what the car is/isn't. but you can get drums, power or manual on the front of a 70 442


and those trunk numerals, WOW

 

Actually no. You could get power disc brakes with a 70 442. Option JL2. Required M40 trans

 

Eric, I think it's proper for a CS vert - they had different stitching patterns than the other cars. Are you thinking more of the 442 '87' or '77' models?

 

This looks like a car that was on ebay a few months ago for 20K

 

So if it sold on MECUM for 23? The seller would pay a 10%?? premium to sell, plus a fee to position the car on a specific day, storage fees, transportation fees, temp licensing fees etc. If he bought it for 20K on eBay, he would likely have just broke even or even lost $$ selling it? That's not how you make $$ flipping cars. The winner obviously is MECUM.

 

Battery wrong and no big block braces, fools soon part with there money. If presented as a nice Cutlass convert probably would have drawn more interest. Most guys would have known the trunk emblems were way wrong as noted above.

 

How would you see the braces in that pic? They're out of sight behind the fender liners and go down to the lower cowl. Or are you referring to something else? If it's the rear frame braces I asked about that before and was told that verts didn't necessarily get them because of the boxing on the frame.

 

Standard brakes on a 70 442 were front and rear DRUM.

 

That sure looks a lot like Mopar small block blue engine paint. Add doesn't mention the C word just that it was restored 15 yrs ago. It would be nice if the auction companies would post the first of the vins so you would have something to go by.

 

Could be wrong but I always thought the existence of the extra BB fender braces could be verified by the extra bolt just in front of the hood hinge raised area which doesn't exist on SB cars. That pic is too dark to even tell if that bolt is there. Can someone verify this information? thanks.

 

The car is scheduled to be regurgitated through Mecum at Kissimmee, FL in a couple of weeks. I plan on attending the auction during one of the early days of the auction and will report back on the condition of the car.


TS

 

In this case I can't figure out why that even matters since convertible cars did not receive the braces

 

Its a real hodge podge of a car. They must have used an upper rad hose made for a variety of cars as it has enough curves to make a race track, the master cylinder and cover don't look correct and worst of all the alternator is on the drivers side, incorrect for a non-air car. The basics aren't even covered. Parts bin special.

 

Allan r, no bolts in open hole by hood hinge. Happy New YEAR

 

I did look at this car on Friday when I was at the Mecum auction in Kissimmee, FL. It is a real 442 convertible verified by the VIN. However, the car was restored about 15 years ago and is seriously unraveling. Bubbles and cracks in the paint, interior panels with significant wrinkles, poor body panel fit with the passenger latching but has a 1 inch gap to quarter panel. There are numerous under hood items that are wrong that have been previously mentioned. It looks like the owner rigged things as necessary to keep the car running. Car is scheduled to go though the auction on Tuesday.

 

There is a 70 442 W-30 up for auction on Friday, lot#F151 and another on F165. 151 is a beautiful car, original, 26k miles, metallic burgundy. I'm going to try and get it.

 

This is the color of the 442 I bought in December. I have a ways to go before it will look like this, but I'm sure it will.

 

The 70 post came out of northern NJ. I've got more pics if your very interested. I would question the vin tag rivets, original mileage, and stripes look too wide. The flipper has been trying to sell since the day he bought it in late 2012. It's almost too good to be true. Be careful..

 

This car sold for $27,500 which seems like good money considering what you noted about it's condition. But again, after fees I would imagine the seller broke even at best after it sold for $25k last time around.

 

What network is the on....I am having a issue finding it.


Nevermind...I found it