Almost 2 years ago I sold some very rare NOS 442 parts to Ron Memmer of Ron's Classic Cutlass. Ron wrote me 2 checks. He later texted me that he could not cover the checks. The following are the texts he sent: On 8-7-2019 "Due to a cashflow problem it might be awhile before I can pay you. I will get you paid just give me some time". On 8-21-2019 "No sir no good now I have a problem with a guy thats doing a frame off restoration on my 69 Hurst Olds and needs money to keep it going and as soon as I can I will pay you in full". I haven't heard from him since. It is illegal to write a check you can't pay. I am not a business, just a car guy. A word to the wise, think long and hard before giving him money. A note to the owners of this forum: I will be happy to show you proof of his texts. If you shelter his behavior by deleting this post, you are enabling this irresponsible activity to the detriment of alot of honest Olds enthusiasts.

 

Yes it is illegal. I don't know where you are located and where the guy is located but call your local Sates Attorneys office or prosecutor or whatever they are called in your area and ask them. You might have to file in the guys state depending on where they decide the location that the actual crime happened. Depending on the amount it could be a felony. I would not wait very long either as there might be a time limit on reporting it.

 

Wait for it.........

 

Sure sounds Ike a Chump move. What the hell is wrong with people?? He damn good and well when he penned those checks he couldn't cover them. Still no payment or reply? Who would possibly stick up for that kind move?

I love this line...

"No sir no good now I have a problem with a guy thats doing a frame off restoration on my 69 Hurst Olds and needs money to keep it going and as soon as I can I will pay you in full"

​​​​​So someone doing a frame off on a 69 Hurst Olds should put YOU on hold?? What the hell So many just don't give a crap anymore. TWO YEARS!!

 

Any business that needs money from the next customer to pay off or finish the work of the previous is a poorly run business.

 

Amen. I thought the same thing. Want to bet the original poster isn't the only one?!

 

I had that happen to me a few years ago. A guy wrote me a check and then moved from Washington State to Florida. The check was bad. The county attorney's office where I lived in Washington had what they called a "bad check program". I followed through with the county attorney's office and they wrote a real nice letter to the guy in Florida telling him in no uncertain words that he needed to make the check good. As well, the county attorney's office told me they didn't think they could do anything with the guy having moved to Florida if the guy in Florida didn't respond. Fortunately, the guy in Florida must have been given a different impression as he made the check good. That might be an avenue to pursue for you if your county or state has such a program. I had one other situation just the same except the bad check writer stayed in the state and didn't respond to the county attorney's office. The county attorney's office followed through and that bad check writer had to make the check good, pay the attorney's office a fee of $75, AND attend remedial check writer's class for a week!

Randy C.

 

People like that have a bright future in government.

 

That is hysterical!

 

I changed the title of your thread. For every story there are 2 sides. It's not his behavior that is concerning it's yours for waiting 2 years.

 

Well as said 2 sides to every story but he does set up at Carlisle Pa. swap. Lots of overpriced goodies on his table some priced at thousands of dollars, that you could pick up in lieu of cash if he is that bad off, which I highly doubt! He stiffed me once on Ebay, bought something and when I told him shipping cost I never heard from him again.... Never bought from him and don't ever plan on it either....

 

You did not sell him the parts if they were never paid for. The parts are still yours. Demand your parts back, take the local sheriff with you to retrieve them. Guys that build on the backs of others are low life pieces of shizzy.

Keith

 

I have had dealings with Ron for both buying and selling and never had any issues... I am curious why the OP didn't just deposit the checks within a reasonable time frame and let them show insufficient funds... Recourse would have been much easier had that transpired... As for not hearing from Ron since the 8/21/19 text and the OP taking no action during that time frame, at least that was mentioned, was basically letting Ron off the hook...

 

Jurisdiction for initiating criminal prosecution lies in White County, Indiana. Sometimes, but not always, criminal prosecution can result in restitution to the party issued a bad check.

https://www.whitecountyin.us/index.p...t-menu1-item29

For civil pursuit of an action for breach of contract, jurisdiction may exist both in your state and county and in White County, Indiana. In either case any judgment obtained would need to be pursued in White County, Indiana. Many small claims court statutes would require the venue to be in White County, Indiana.

If I was standing in your shoes, I would brush up on the applicable statutes of limitations.

 

You it's Ironic that it's been almost exactly 2 years ago someone was here complaining about Ron.

https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...ndiana-134757/

I've dealt with Ron since the 90s. Trading, buying, selling. Never had a problem with him.
If you said he was high on his prices well I wouldn't disagree. But at same time you probably wouldn't find it anywhere elsewhere.

Just my 2 cents......

Your comment on he's doing a frame off restoration of his 69 Hurst. Thought that was done oh gotta be something like 4 years or so ago.

 

I've been dealing with Ron for over 20 years, his '69 H/O was finished last year in Phoenix. You can find him at the OCA Nationals in Tennessee this August. He always has a wad of cash with him.

 

Call the Attorney General office in the state Ron Memmer is in, i.e. Indiana.


They will advise you what you have to do.

I had to do this with a guy in Rhode Island, got a money order about a week after the Sheriff showed up at this door with a subpoena

 

Wow 🤯
So him writing two bad checks is ok 👌

Guess you never know.
Seems to have plenty of support here. If he is such a stand up guy maybe he can explain the story.

 

Didn't say that, what I said was waiting 2 years to act is concerning.

 

Guess I read this wrong.
Not trying to stir it up with you. He admitted his non payment in his emails.

 

Not true. The parts belong to the recipient irrespective of payment. You can not lawfully take your parts back. Sounds illogical, but that is the law.

 

Obviously two sides to a story but sounds like you the seller are to nice of a guy..I never would take personal check unless I knew the person, cashiers, check, money order or paypal.. but if all is factual the buyer is a piece of **** and needs his *** kicked..period, then take the parts back.. in our hobby you have to trust for people, but you also got to use some common sense. You mentioned they are very rare parts, so I would assume expensive? I wish you the best but I doubt unless he lives locally you’re ever going to see anything, however somebody said he goes to some of these shows and has a table out, show up and start taking anything of value. Jerks like this need eliminated from the hobby.

 

Your response makes no sense. Re-read oldcutlass' comments.

 

To the contrary, I believe the moderators of this site would not be enabling this irresponsible activity if they deleted your post. The moderators of this site don't know you from a hill of beans & most likely could care less with regards to following up with you to show proof of his texts. You, on the other hand, are the irresponsible person for not following up in a timely manner to secure payment. You have made two posts to this forum, you never acknowledged anyone's efforts with regards to your April 10, 2021 post/thread for 1970 442 fenders. This forum isn't a dumping ground for your horse manure. Grow up and act like an adult. We're all here to assist others, not to listen to someone with two posts in less than two months whine about their own irresponsibility. I suggest you attempt to resolve your own issues before berating others. If the moderators choose to delete this thread they will have done the rest of us members a service. Have a nice day - grab a cookie on your way out.

 

Your response makes no sense. Re-read oldcutlass' comments.

 

What process does Ron pursue if a customer buys some parts from him and the check bounces? I realize that some of the opinions were posted by friends of Ron, but illegal behavior is wrong and does not deserve loyalty. As I mentioned previuosly, I am willing to show the texts to anyone who needs to see them to be convinced.

 

I can attest to RM being a piece of **** when it comes to wheeling and dealing and going back on his word. Ironicially, it was about 69 H/O parts in Hemmings Motor News. Yes, it goes that far back. I've hadn't had any use for him in over 20 years. I'm so thankful I didn't get suckered into his web of bullcrap. I can't recommend the guy for anything.

Maybe I should thank him, though- for the price of just a couple of items I was looking for from him, I found what I needed in North Carolina from a Hemmings ad 2 months later, plus I got the complete 69 H/O engine in basket case form with redone F heads and the correct distributor and air cleaner, an OH transmission, and an extremely nice 72 442 ram air hood.

 

Well there you go. People like him try at treat certain people good to get them on his side. Then he screws other people hardcore. Seen it before in other arenas.

Obviously plenty of people here know him. So that tells me that he is on here as well. Those that know him let him know about this post. If he really is such an outstanding guy then let him speak up.

Definitely not new news. My links never seem to work here. Search his name here.

https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...ndiana-134757/

https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...​​

 

FWIW, there are instructions in my estate plan that, on my death, none of my remaining stock of NOS parts are to be sold to Memmer. Yes, he sometimes has stuff no one else has, but when I had a difficult-to-plate part redone for less money than he wanted for a take-off...

 

I must be clear that I do not know either of the parties involved in this alleged transaction. I also do not know the statutes in either jurisdiction.
Writing a check with insufficient funds is not necessarily a crime, it is an overdraft, subject to bank overdraft fees.
In order to fit into a criminal statute, the payor either knew or should have known that at the time the payor wrote the check to the payee (you), the payor had insufficient funds for the check to clear the bank.
In your case, you did not help yourself by failing to deposit your checks. If you deposited the checks and one or both checks were returned insufficient funds, you would have a stronger case by notifying the payor in writing, and if the payor didn't fund his account to clear your check(s), you would be in a better position.
You do however, claim to have documents from the payor requesting that you refrain from depositing the payors check(s).
You will be more productive, instead of writing to the members on this site for a resolution, contact the authorities identified in Tri-carbs post number fourteen (14) to start.
Time is of the essence. The statute of limitations in each state vary. If you blow the statute of limitations, you have no chance of any authority investigating the merits of your case, and any chance of recovery.

 

Wow the defense of a slime ball on this issue is just crazy. Dude wrote two bad checks knowingly. Promised to make it right. He didn't. Now the dude that got screwed It's his fault? Unreal.

How many threads are on this site about him pulling this same crap??? I suppose all those people are in the wrong as well huh?? This world is so upside down.

 

[QUOTE=no1oldsfan;1341514]Wow the defense of a slime ball on this issue is just crazy. Dude wrote two bad checks knowingly. Promised to make it right. He didn't. Now the dude that got screwed It's his fault? Unreal.

How many threads are on this site about him pulling this same crap??? I suppose all those people are in the wrong as well huh?? This world is so upside down.[/QUOTE

Are you making reference to my post with respect to your comments??

 

There it is!

WOOOOO!

How did the guy get the parts before the check cleared? Sounds like a seller mistake to me. I'm not placing 100% on the "victim"; this is clearly a double fault situation. Remember kids: 2 wrongs don't make a right, but 3 lefts do!

 

Not getting paid BEFORE letting parts go is where the OP went wrong here, IMO. Especially if it's some high dollar items. You think RM would send you any parts unless he had your $$? Chalk it up as a rookie mistake and move on. You can trust people until you get screwed. Then you learn the hard lesson and adjust your payment policy.

Would I drink a beer with him? Sure. He's never been a bad guy personality-wise the few times I've been around him, but I will never seek him out looking for parts. I don't give a **** if I have to walk waiting on finding a part, I'll never knowingly give him any of my money.

 

WOW your ignorance is showing here!
The OP asked about the legal issue and Twilightblue28A explained the legal aspects of what can happen not the emotional side which you seem to be attracted on just about all of your posts. We have a new member who posts one other time and then craps on someone and you jump all over it that is what I call unreal.

I am not siding with anyone on this issue and don't have an opinion either way since I wasn't involved in the transaction. There are plenty of legal options for the OP to use but coming here for legal advice is not the place where I would start.

 

I don't know Memmer beyond one purchase attempt. There are better resources for what he has. He may have some rare stuff. Others do, too. I was turned off by his demeanor, attitude and sales pitch. He basically pressured me (not a direct quote, but the gist...) "you need to buy this from me, now. These don't come along everyday." I obtained what I needed in great, if not NIB, shape (one broken/plastic-welded mount point that doesn't show) for less than a third of Memmer's price. I did this by being patient and continuing my search.

 

Not going to comment on your rebuttal, just wanted to say you have one hell of a nice collection of Oldsmobiles listed..damn..post some pics of the collection would be great ..

 

In Massachusetts, passing a bad check is called "Uttering", and it is illegal.

Contact your attorney generals' office and file a complaint.

 

You must have knowledge....

 

Seems like there were a couple of issues in the same time period

https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...-crook-139550/

https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...ndiana-134757/