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Hello I was at the mcacn show this weekend and saw a car or two that were certified by a rocket report . Is this a thing and if so how do I get a hold of them . I attached a picture of the certificate I saw .
thanks
This is the same idea that in the camaro world does with a guy named JERRY MACNEISH. I think it is a good idea... Any idea how to reach this guy, phone, email ? I THINK I FOUND HIS # 866-424-4536 X409
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Steve has figured out a way to monetize his expertise on the 70-72 cars. I wish I was that smart.
Start an ad supported (I know, evil), "Joe Knows Olds ®️" website. Also sell T-shirt like those Bob Ross "No Accidents" ones. Tag line - This is your father's Oldsmobile ".
So, Minore is a knowledgeable dude, and, from what I have heard, a decent stick as well. However, his report does not sit at the level of factory docs.
Assuming not fraudulent, I prefer to rely on metal numbers on the car, then all factory docs like order form, sales form, window sticker, PoP, manifest (build sheet), broadcast card, then, as a distant third, testimonials from people.
Reason being, he uses the same stuff we do to authenticate a car. While I doubt I know near what he knows, I would think I could come close with research of my own.
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Steve has figured out a way to monetize his expertise on the 70-72 cars. I wish I was that smart.
Joe, are you kidding, you are one of the most knowledgeable guys on this site.. I never seen you get stumped with these olds questions.. . happy thanksgiving
Hello I was at the mcacn show this weekend and saw a car or two that were certified by a rocket report . Is this a thing and if so how do I get a hold of them . I attached a picture of the certificate I saw .
thanks
Fuzzy,
I will message you Steve's number. He is located in CT.
Originally Posted by joe_padavano
Steve has figured out a way to monetize his expertise on the 70-72 cars. I wish I was that smart. Joe, are you kidding, you are one of the most knowledgeable guys on this site.. I never seen you get stumped with these olds questions.. . happy thanksgiving
I think he may have been referring to the monetization of his knowledge.
First off, let me be clear: I have no experience dealing with Mr. Minore.
Mr. Minore knows his Oldsmobiles.
In the end you are paying for his branded opinion. As has been said, factory and legit dealer documentation is the be-all, end-all. Personally, I would not pay for his travel, expenses, opinion, nor "certificate." For those "in the know," his "certification" means nothing when it comes down to actual $$ value. A car is worth what someone is willing to pay. Nothing more. Nothing less. I value this forum's experts over all else.
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First off, let me be clear: I have no experience dealing with Mr. Minore.
Mr. Minore knows his Oldsmobiles.
In the end you are paying for his branded opinion. As has been said, factory and legit dealer documentation is the be-all, end-all. Personally, I would not pay for his travel, expenses, opinion, nor "certificate." For those "in the know," his "certification" means nothing when it comes down to actual $$ value. A car is worth what someone is willing to pay. Nothing more. Nothing less. I value this forum's experts over all else.
I would equate this service to that of Patrick Glenn Nichols in the Chevelle world. While original paperwork is the be all-end all proof, 50+ years later that is a rarity. So to get the endorsement of someone that is an expert in a particular brand, even if it costs a couple thousand dollars, seems like a wise investment. If your looking at a $10,000 car, probably not. But a $75-1xx,000 + car, I think it would be money well spent, especially with all of the clones out there these days. I'm sorry, "tribute cars"
Thanks to everyone for your input . I bought a car out of Florida and with came a pre delivery sheet (well worn) a protecto plate and a few old titles . It was all in an envelope that said w30 docs important . The car has none of the stuff a w30 would have . But both front fenders and inner fenders have been changed . It also stated car had a 390 posi the rear end has been changed to a type O with a 256 gear as stamped no the housing . It is a real 442 by vin and trim tag . But non matching engine 1969 big car trans (no provision for speedo cable ) many say they threw away the build sheets at the Lansing plant which is where this car was built . So I guess I’m just trying to answer a question . I don’t care either way I have a 1970 442 and to me that’s cool if it’s a W 30 that would be icing on the cake .
1) It is a real 442 by vin and trim tag .
2) ... many say they threw away the build sheets at the Lansing plant which is where this car was built .
3) ... if it’s a W 30 that would be icing on the cake .
1) If you have an actual IBM trim card, that will have W-30 printed on it on a 1970 model.
2) All W cars were built in Lansing. Of course, they built a lot of other cars there too.
3) See #1.
with all of the clones out there these days. I'm sorry, "tribute cars"
Your being too nice, let's call them what they really are... FAKES.
Originally Posted by Fuzzy1965
I don’t care either way I have a 1970 442 and to me that’s cool if it’s a W 30 that would be icing on the cake .
Love it, that's the spirit.
We are at the point where any undocumented original muscle era W30 should be considered fake from the rip. Documented or X code, nothing else. And that sucks because someone may have known someone that had one saw the paperwork and unfortunately the paperwork has now been lost. And their word doesn't mean anything anymore because of the massive amounts of deception in this field, especially currently.
They are even faking X codes which should be unfakeable...
We were at the MCACN show last weekend and saw a lot of cars I’m sure were legit . I’m from southern Illinois and have loved Oldsmobile’s since I was a teen . I’m 60 now and I know for a fact I have seen more W30’s than were ever built . If my car proves to be one fine if not it’s still a 70 442 . I will not badge it as anything other than that . I am not going to nut and bolt restore it . It will be like my other cars a driver . There are enough high dollar perfect restorations . But there are not near enough drivers in my opinion . If the younger kids never see them they won’t fall in love with them and when we all die our car hobby will die with us .
First off, let me be clear: I have no experience dealing with Mr. Minore.
Mr. Minore knows his Oldsmobiles.
In the end you are paying for his branded opinion. As has been said, factory and legit dealer documentation is the be-all, end-all. Personally, I would not pay for his travel, expenses, opinion, nor "certificate." For those "in the know," his "certification" means nothing when it comes down to actual $$ value. A car is worth what someone is willing to pay. Nothing more. Nothing less. I value this forum's experts over all else.
Most of his customers aren't Olds guys like yourself. In fact, the buyers of the top dollar Oldsmobiles aren't usually Olds guys. This is what makes his services important. Look at a few of the top tier Oldsmobiles that have sold in the past few years and you'll see that just about all of them went to big collectors that are NOT posting or reading on Classic Oldsmobile, etc.
Most of his customers aren't Olds guys like yourself. In fact, the buyers of the top dollar Oldsmobiles aren't usually Olds guys. This is what makes his services important. Look at a few of the top tier Oldsmobiles that have sold in the past few years and you'll see that just about all of them went to big collectors that are NOT posting or reading on Classic Oldsmobile, etc.
Not only that, people that spend $100,000+ on a car want to know they have a genuine item and not something that was cleverly "re-badged" and painted according to widely available information. They want to be confident that they will get their money back and not end up with a $40,000-$50,000 run of the mill car. Barrett-Jackson and other auctions can't/won't guarantee you get what you thought it was !
Using widely available information to get "close" to know if its a legit car is a subjective term. Are we talking horse shoes or sniper rifles ? "Close" ?
...........Just my two cents worth.
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You are very correct I’m not a collector . I have two ther cars but this is the one I always dreamed of . I don’t really care about value . I just want to represent the car as it should be . But if the rocket report is only an educated guess . I’ll not bother the guy .Thanks to everyone on their guidance on this .
...I don’t really care about value . I just want to represent the car as it should be . But if the rocket report is only an educated guess . I’ll not bother the guy .
If that's your objective, consider the other side to a Minore report. If he says it wasn't originally equipped as XYZ, you can be confident in that opinion.
I have a Minore Report on my W30, and glad he is in the position to provide such services. The report is in addition to other factory documentation I have. Minore has been around W cars a good long while and I find him knowledgeable, thorough, and concise with his conclusions. If he were in business just to pass out reports upon the submission of payment he would not be in business long. Put another way, and this is only my personal opinion, but I think it’s smart for a seller to offer a Minore Report with their car when selling. It sure would cut down on the heartache, doubt, and suspicion some people find themselves with after their W car purchase.
I have a Minore Report on my W30, and glad he is in the position to provide such services. The report is in addition to other factory documentation I have. Minore has been around W cars a good long while and I find him knowledgeable, thorough, and concise with his conclusions. If he were in business just to pass out reports upon the submission of payment he would not be in business long. Put another way, and this is only my personal opinion, but I think it’s smart for a seller to offer a Minore Report with their car when selling. It sure would cut down on the heartache, doubt, and suspicion some people find themselves with after their W car purchase.
Assuming not fraudulent, I prefer to rely on metal numbers on the car, then all factory docs like order form, sales form, window sticker, PoP, manifest (build sheet), broadcast card, then, as a distant third, testimonials from people.
Agreed there should be no other way.
4V, 5V, 344s, X, R, ...
And for those wondering why so much game playing occurs in this department.
1970 442 Show car valuation = $98,100
1970 W30 Show car valuation $205,200
That's current valuation as of right now for Hardtop 442s. JDPower.
On the 72 in question they do state in the ad it is not a true w30.
Yes, true !
As they should. That ad was put together by a wordsmith. Its virtually perfect. Including the vagueness as to whether or not it was even a W29 in the first place...
And I don't blame the house one bit. The business is to sell the car in front of you. I would do that exact same if that was my job.
Outside of their hands you have to ask yourself, if someone going back, just picked an almost perfect candidate to tribute. M code ✔, K code ✔, just happens to be the letter most visually similar to XK...
Look at the end of the day the car is gorgeous and possibly quicker than an original. It is what it is.
I hope everyone realizes the Rocket Report has a disclaimer in his authentications that he isn’t responsible and you can’t come after him financially if the car turns out to be something other than what he “authenticated” it as being?
thats why it’s an LLC
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I hope everyone realizes the Rocket Report has a disclaimer in his authentications that he isn’t responsible and you can’t come after him financially if the car turns out to be something other than what he “authenticated” it as being?
thats why it’s an LLC
You don't know what you are talking about. An LLC cannot contract out negligence, gross negligence or willful misconduct. Make a mistake that you knew or should have known, prove negligence and damages and your insurer will pay. Prove willful misconduct and the penalties increase from civil damages to criminal. Again, just because you write that you are not liable, doesn't mean you are not.
This relates to all contracts. Fyi: I like and know Steven. He's a good guy.
You don't know what you are talking about. An LLC cannot contract out negligence, gross negligence or willful misconduct. Make a mistake that you knew or should have known, prove negligence and damages and your insurer will pay. Prove willful misconduct and the penalties increase from civil damages to criminal. Again, just because you write that you are not liable, doesn't mean you are not.
This relates to all contracts. Fyi: I like and know Steven. He's a good guy.
I do know what I’m talking about. I was the owner of an LLC before. the main reason for me going the LLC route was to protect and separate my personal assets from the Company. The owners personal asserts , like house and other hard assets of an LLC, are mostly protected from the actions and liability of the company ..that’s why it’s called Limited Liability Company for Gods sakes…
there are other benefits like taxes…but the Limit of Liability is #1. and, I never said anything about him being nice or not, which has nothing to do with how an LLC works. Another thing is all you have to do is read any Rocket Report, where at the end of them, there is a disclaimer. you should post that ,you’ll learn something.
I do know what I’m talking about. I was the owner of an LLC before. the main reason for me going the LLC route was to protect and separate my personal assets from the Company. The owners personal asserts , like house and other hard assets of an LLC, are mostly protected from the actions and liability of the company ..that’s why it’s called Limited Liability Company for Gods sakes…
there are other benefits like taxes…but the Limit of Liability is #1. and, I never said anything about him being nice or not, which has nothing to do with how an LLC works. Another thing is all you have to do is read any Rocket Report, where at the end of them, there is a disclaimer. you should post that ,you’ll learn something.
I have dealt with him in the past.
Twilightblue28A is an attorney he stated clearly where the liability is with an LLC . You don't walk away from liability . An LLC cannot contract out negligence, gross negligence or willful misconduct. Make a mistake that you knew or should have known, prove negligence and damages and your insurer will pay. Prove willful misconduct and the penalties increase from civil damages to criminal. Again, just because you write that you are not liable, doesn't mean you are not.
who said anything about contracting out negligence or any of that other stuff? not me
are you’re insinuating I said that? if you are, I didn’t. my LLC was initially Incorporated. After a few years of operating as an Inc, my company Lawyer explained the advantages of an LLC over being Inc…not only were my personal assets more protected, my company commercial insurance rates went down due to reduced exposure
it’s in the description..LIMITED LIABILITY Company. I’m not suggesting there is any fraud or anything else going on here. everyone is human, mistake are made.
Dale, Twilightblue28A could have dispensed with the ad hominem attack and stated his point in a less incendiary way.
However, LLC members can be held personally liable for their own wrongful, negligent, or fraudulent conduct. Members are protected against mistakes; they are not protected against willful stupidity or larceny.
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