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Old Mar 7, 2023 | 07:57 PM
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Redoing this engine bay

I want to repaint things but don't want to over do it and cover up any originality...I have all the accs. and brackets. I'm going to repainting the engine gold. Factory ac needs a belt and so does the alternator. I need help finding a set of period correct plugs and belts.

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Old Mar 7, 2023 | 08:26 PM
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What is an "emginay"?
Old Mar 7, 2023 | 08:49 PM
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Also need to know what period you are referring to for correctness.

I see C heads that are correct for 67-69 BBO but you’re painting the engine gold (350 color)???

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Old Mar 7, 2023 | 09:06 PM
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What is an "emginay"?
A typo lol
Old Mar 7, 2023 | 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Fun71
Also need to know what period you are referring to for correctness.

I see C heads that are correct for 67-69 BBO but you’re painting the engine gold (350 color)???

Yes C heads and a G block all numbers matching (400ci) 1969

I'm painting it gold to kinda replicate the original Olds Gold....but it's the vht gold which is a bit brighter imo...I think it's called "Universal gold".the brackets and pullies will be done in black (semi gloss?)


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If your looking for originality the original color was a bronze.

See this thread for some discussion: Bill Hirsch Bronze versus Rustoleum aged copper
Old Mar 7, 2023 | 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by v8al
If your looking for originality the original color was a bronze.

See this thread for some discussion: Bill Hirsch Bronze versus Rustoleum aged copper

I think I've decided on the other color. Not right but a good tribute that I like better than the Olds Gold.
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I think I've decided on the other color. Not right but a good tribute that I like better than the Olds Gold.
Bronze IS the right color.
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The brake booster has rust and so it needs to be redone....should I go black with the master cylinder sorta of a dark grey with the original cover.
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Should I track down a dtm high heat primer for the engine before I top coat it (gold)?
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Bronze IS the right color.
Some people just don't listen. Fusick has a correctish bronze, too.
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There are a number of threads addressing paints and their hues. If you are truly interested in "period correct" for the engine, it needs to be bronze. Here is a pic I took of the Parts Place's bronze, next to Supercar Unlimited's version. Of these two, I think the SU version is closest to stock. Others like the Bill Hirsch, which I've not seen in person.

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Originally Posted by Carsick
The brake booster has rust and so it needs to be redone....should I go black with the master cylinder sorta of a dark grey with the original cover.
thanks
To refinish the brake booster you either have to strip the rust and treat it with Calyx dressing:

https://www.eastwood.com/calyx-manif...ting-3-oz.html

Or, you can paint it with brake fluid resistant paint.

https://por15.com/products/caliper-painting-kit
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Originally Posted by BackInTheGame
There are a number of threads addressing paints and their hues. If you are truly interested in "period correct" for the engine, it needs to be bronze. Here is a pic I took of the Parts Place's bronze, next to Supercar Unlimited's version. Of these two, I think the SU version is closest to stock. Others like the Bill Hirsch, which I've not seen in person.
Wow. The Parts Place looks really reddish! I've never seen an original, but I do like the Fusick shade. It gets a lot of attention, as almost every Olds engine is 455 blue or 350 gold. I don't even mind explaining to folks how Oldsmobile denoted engine sizes by color. And, no, it's not 442 cubic inches.... LMAO
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I'm surprised no one has made mention of the valve covers being installed incorrectly! The notch showing forward on the passenger side in post #1 is for brake booster clearance! The other valve cover will either have no notch for clearance or a long narrow notch for clearance of the A/C box on the passenger side!

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Old Mar 8, 2023 | 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by 67OAI
I'm surprised no one has made mention of the valve covers being installed incorrectly! The notch showing forward on the passenger side in post #1 is for brake booster clearance! The other valve cover will either have no notch for clearance or a long narrow notch for clearance of the A/C box on the passenger side!
That was already covered in this thread:
https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...-442-a-170310/
Apparently, despite finding out the valve covers were installed incorrectly, no effort was made to install them in the correct orientation.
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Some people just don't listen. Fusick has a correctish bronze, too.
Some people don't. I know what color 'Bronzish' it was painted at the factory. Im going to go with this gold instead. I'm still trying to track down the belts and correct sensors. Any help would be much appreciated!
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Originally Posted by 67OAI
I'm surprised no one has made mention of the valve covers being installed incorrectly! The notch showing forward on the passenger side in post #1 is for brake booster clearance! The other valve cover will either have no notch for clearance or a long narrow notch for clearance of the A/C box on the passenger side!
Will the covers line up with the bolt holes in the heads if I turn them over? Is there a picture you can post showing how I should have them?

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Originally Posted by Loaded68W34
That was already covered in this thread:
https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...-442-a-170310/
Apparently, despite finding out the valve covers were installed incorrectly, no effort was made to install them in the correct orientation.
Still waiting on confirmation of that and a picture of how they should be....please share one of you got it!
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Still waiting on confirmation of that and a picture of how they should be....please share one of you got it!
I saw your post with pictures . So they just need to switch sides before paint? Thank you. Any other pictures of a 1969 400 showing the correct orientation of things?
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So, you're worried about making everything correct, but painting it the wrong color, anyway. Perfect! 👍

The notches go toward the firewall. It also corrects the goofy looking peak. Also, the breathers will sit with the tops level.
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I want it to look right and in my opinion the original bronze doesn't look as good as this. Just me. I want it to appear period correct not pure factory correct. I have the correct bronze paint but it's for the next guy.
So a dtm high temp primer first?
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Originally Posted by Carsick
I saw your post with pictures . So they just need to switch sides before paint? Thank you. Any other pictures of a 1969 400 showing the correct orientation of things?
Yes, the valve covers need to be switched side to side before paint. You are correct that you need to use a primer before painting the final color.
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Paint it black. Better heat dissipation.
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A typo lol
Fixed it for you. For some reason only Mods and Admins can edit thread titles. Go figure.
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
Fixed it for you. For some reason only Mods and Admins can edit thread titles. Go figure.
It's a configurable setting contained w/in the top-tier Administrator's panel settings.
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so I got a new cowl/hood seal. How do I attach it? Make new holes for these metal tabs or should I grind them smooth and glue it on?

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FYI those little metal tabs WILL break and they hold down the metal screen deal. I'm gonna just take the tabs out and glue it...

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The metal tabs are spring-loaded. Just pry then out. Make new holes.
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On this mc , should I hit it with a wire wheel then etch then paint?
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
The metal tabs are spring-loaded. Just pry then out. Make new holes.
So I should bend them out kinda thing. Just gently pry them up with a flat head?

Thanks (again) Joe.

*Any idea if that red electrical connection by the heater box is stock?

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So I should bend them out kinda thing. Just gently pry them up with a flat head?

Thanks (again) Joe.

*Any idea if that red electrical connection by the heater box is stock?
You don't bend them. Gently pry and they should pop right out of the hole in the cowl.
What electrical connection?
And for the M/C, I like the Eastwood M/C paint, which is resistant to brake fluid.
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On this mc , should I hit it with a wire wheel then etch then paint?
Wire wheel, then spray with Eastwood Cast Blast. Looks like raw cast iron
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Wire wheel, then spray with Eastwood Cast Blast. Looks like raw cast iron
If you're going for a concourse resto, use the cast blast. If you want durability, use the M/C paint. The latter is too metallic to look correct, but it is much more resistant to brake fluid.



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Are you referring to this?



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Use aluminum foil to wrap hoses and wire harnesses for paint. Much easier than tape to apply then remove when you are finished.
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Learned about wrapping wires and tubing in aluminum foil instead of tape on this site, it works really well.
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
If you're going for a concourse resto, use the cast blast. If you want durability, use the M/C paint. The latter is too metallic to look correct, but it is much more resistant to brake fluid.


Didnt realize they had this now, just always used the cast blast. I'll have to order a can
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Originally Posted by Loaded68W34
Yes, the valve covers need to be switched side to side before paint. You are correct that you need to use a primer before painting the final color.
Should I use a dtm high heat primer?
And yes, for the record(s)
​​​​​ I'll switch the Valve covers !!

Thank you all
Any part numbers on the belts?
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Didnt realize they had this now, just always used the cast blast. I'll have to order a can
Thank you. Is that even a sorta correct master?
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Are you referring to this?


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