Re-stamped w parts
#282
70 W31 carb
The carb is packed away while I move but I have attached the other pictures I have. I wasn't trying to trick or embarrass anyone but I did want to make a point. I have owned this carb since I bought a '70 W31 in 1975. It was just another used car and just another used part back then. There is virtually no way it's a fake and I would bet just about anything on that.
I do agree that the 9, at least, looks a little suspect. However given the evidence we have all seen on sloppy work at the factory, badly stamped vin #'s, body tags and part #'s on other non-rare parts, why should we expect that all "rare" parts are going to be perfectly marked? To me it just complicates the issue even further. Some of the photos we have seen are clearly of faked parts, some, maybe not so much.
Again, I would be willing to let virtually anyone on this board inspect this carb, I'm that sure of it's authenticity. And yet it does show at least a few potentially questionable details. As the prices go up and the incentives to fake parts gets bigger and bigger, the frauds are going to continue to get better at their craft.
I have purchased (and sold) parts from/to many members of this board over the past few years and will continue to do so as I actually get to start working on my project(s) over the coming months. I have yet to be disappointed in a transaction. This is one of my favorite boards on the web and Ihope (perhaps somewhat naively) That we can continue to have that "Trust but verify" (as Ronald Reagan so eloquently put it) approach to our hobby.
Randy
I do agree that the 9, at least, looks a little suspect. However given the evidence we have all seen on sloppy work at the factory, badly stamped vin #'s, body tags and part #'s on other non-rare parts, why should we expect that all "rare" parts are going to be perfectly marked? To me it just complicates the issue even further. Some of the photos we have seen are clearly of faked parts, some, maybe not so much.
Again, I would be willing to let virtually anyone on this board inspect this carb, I'm that sure of it's authenticity. And yet it does show at least a few potentially questionable details. As the prices go up and the incentives to fake parts gets bigger and bigger, the frauds are going to continue to get better at their craft.
I have purchased (and sold) parts from/to many members of this board over the past few years and will continue to do so as I actually get to start working on my project(s) over the coming months. I have yet to be disappointed in a transaction. This is one of my favorite boards on the web and Ihope (perhaps somewhat naively) That we can continue to have that "Trust but verify" (as Ronald Reagan so eloquently put it) approach to our hobby.
Randy
#283
I would also like to see what casting #'s are on the body and base of the carbs with pics if possible. The #'s that are in the small about 3/8" circles cast into them. Attachment pic below. Example: 7042305 body with 7038294 base. I have seen that the w-30/W-31 carbs will many times have a different casting than other carbs so if these #'s don't jive then that also may help to authenticate a real carb from a re-stamp.
The carb is packed away while I move but I have attached the other pictures I have. I wasn't trying to trick or embarrass anyone but I did want to make a point. I have owned this carb since I bought a '70 W31 in 1975. It was just another used car and just another used part back then. There is virtually no way it's a fake and I would bet just about anything on that.
I do agree that the 9, at least, looks a little suspect. However given the evidence we have all seen on sloppy work at the factory, badly stamped vin #'s, body tags and part #'s on other non-rare parts, why should we expect that all "rare" parts are going to be perfectly marked? To me it just complicates the issue even further. Some of the photos we have seen are clearly of faked parts, some, maybe not so much.
Again, I would be willing to let virtually anyone on this board inspect this carb, I'm that sure of it's authenticity. And yet it does show at least a few potentially questionable details. As the prices go up and the incentives to fake parts gets bigger and bigger, the frauds are going to continue to get better at their craft.
I have purchased (and sold) parts from/to many members of this board over the past few years and will continue to do so as I actually get to start working on my project(s) over the coming months. I have yet to be disappointed in a transaction. This is one of my favorite boards on the web and Ihope (perhaps somewhat naively) That we can continue to have that "Trust but verify" (as Ronald Reagan so eloquently put it) approach to our hobby.
Randy
I do agree that the 9, at least, looks a little suspect. However given the evidence we have all seen on sloppy work at the factory, badly stamped vin #'s, body tags and part #'s on other non-rare parts, why should we expect that all "rare" parts are going to be perfectly marked? To me it just complicates the issue even further. Some of the photos we have seen are clearly of faked parts, some, maybe not so much.
Again, I would be willing to let virtually anyone on this board inspect this carb, I'm that sure of it's authenticity. And yet it does show at least a few potentially questionable details. As the prices go up and the incentives to fake parts gets bigger and bigger, the frauds are going to continue to get better at their craft.
I have purchased (and sold) parts from/to many members of this board over the past few years and will continue to do so as I actually get to start working on my project(s) over the coming months. I have yet to be disappointed in a transaction. This is one of my favorite boards on the web and Ihope (perhaps somewhat naively) That we can continue to have that "Trust but verify" (as Ronald Reagan so eloquently put it) approach to our hobby.
Randy
Last edited by orange442; June 17th, 2014 at 10:16 PM.
#284
Well if you had since then it has to be real .
I'm far from an expert on this stuff.
But at least yours is real
UOTE=rand5204;711877]The carb is packed away while I move but I have attached the other pictures I have. I wasn't trying to trick or embarrass anyone but I did want to make a point. I have owned this carb since I bought a '70 W31 in 1975. It was just another used car and just another used part back then. There is virtually no way it's a fake and I would bet just about anything on that.
I do agree that the 9, at least, looks a little suspect. However given the evidence we have all seen on sloppy work at the factory, badly stamped vin #'s, body tags and part #'s on other non-rare parts, why should we expect that all "rare" parts are going to be perfectly marked? To me it just complicates the issue even further. Some of the photos we have seen are clearly of faked parts, some, maybe not so much.
Again, I would be willing to let virtually anyone on this board inspect this carb, I'm that sure of it's authenticity. And yet it does show at least a few potentially questionable details. As the prices go up and the incentives to fake parts gets bigger and bigger, the frauds are going to continue to get better at their craft.
I have purchased (and sold) parts from/to many members of this board over the past few years and will continue to do so as I actually get to start working on my project(s) over the coming months. I have yet to be disappointed in a transaction. This is one of my favorite boards on the web and Ihope (perhaps somewhat naively) That we can continue to have that "Trust but verify" (as Ronald Reagan so eloquently put it) approach to our hobby.
Randy[/QUOTE]
I'm far from an expert on this stuff.
But at least yours is real
UOTE=rand5204;711877]The carb is packed away while I move but I have attached the other pictures I have. I wasn't trying to trick or embarrass anyone but I did want to make a point. I have owned this carb since I bought a '70 W31 in 1975. It was just another used car and just another used part back then. There is virtually no way it's a fake and I would bet just about anything on that.
I do agree that the 9, at least, looks a little suspect. However given the evidence we have all seen on sloppy work at the factory, badly stamped vin #'s, body tags and part #'s on other non-rare parts, why should we expect that all "rare" parts are going to be perfectly marked? To me it just complicates the issue even further. Some of the photos we have seen are clearly of faked parts, some, maybe not so much.
Again, I would be willing to let virtually anyone on this board inspect this carb, I'm that sure of it's authenticity. And yet it does show at least a few potentially questionable details. As the prices go up and the incentives to fake parts gets bigger and bigger, the frauds are going to continue to get better at their craft.
I have purchased (and sold) parts from/to many members of this board over the past few years and will continue to do so as I actually get to start working on my project(s) over the coming months. I have yet to be disappointed in a transaction. This is one of my favorite boards on the web and Ihope (perhaps somewhat naively) That we can continue to have that "Trust but verify" (as Ronald Reagan so eloquently put it) approach to our hobby.
Randy[/QUOTE]
#285
joesw31
As soon as I have access to it I will get the additional photos you mentioned. It may be a couple of weeks.
dnmfranco
I knew I would get that kind of comment from someone. Could it be a fake - sure, of course it could. My only point was that I bought it at a time when these were of no special value at all. it has been in a box in my garage ever since. It just seems very unlikely that anyone would have been faking these in 1975. I think you missed the bigger point. In my opinion you can take virtually any part that was mass produced to less than exacting standards almost 45 years ago and find inconsistencies in the way it was marked at the factory. Kind of makes it difficult to know what is real anymore doesn't it?
As soon as I have access to it I will get the additional photos you mentioned. It may be a couple of weeks.
dnmfranco
I knew I would get that kind of comment from someone. Could it be a fake - sure, of course it could. My only point was that I bought it at a time when these were of no special value at all. it has been in a box in my garage ever since. It just seems very unlikely that anyone would have been faking these in 1975. I think you missed the bigger point. In my opinion you can take virtually any part that was mass produced to less than exacting standards almost 45 years ago and find inconsistencies in the way it was marked at the factory. Kind of makes it difficult to know what is real anymore doesn't it?
#286
[Hi Randy I'm dean
I totally agree back in 75 no benefit to re stamp anything.
Yes w the carbs difficult to tell what is real and not .
It seems to me an perhaps others that the dists were the easiest to discriminate .
But I agree back then systems and tools were not state of art.
Dean
QUOTE=rand5204;711966]joesw31
As soon as I have access to it I will get the additional photos you mentioned. It may be a couple of weeks.
dnmfranco
I knew I would get that kind of comment from someone. Could it be a fake - sure, of course it could. My only point was that I bought it at a time when these were of no special value at all. it has been in a box in my garage ever since. It just seems very unlikely that anyone would have been faking these in 1975. I think you missed the bigger point. In my opinion you can take virtually any part that was mass produced to less than exacting standards almost 45 years ago and find inconsistencies in the way it was marked at the factory. Kind of makes it difficult to know what is real anymore doesn't it?[/QUOTE]
I totally agree back in 75 no benefit to re stamp anything.
Yes w the carbs difficult to tell what is real and not .
It seems to me an perhaps others that the dists were the easiest to discriminate .
But I agree back then systems and tools were not state of art.
Dean
QUOTE=rand5204;711966]joesw31
As soon as I have access to it I will get the additional photos you mentioned. It may be a couple of weeks.
dnmfranco
I knew I would get that kind of comment from someone. Could it be a fake - sure, of course it could. My only point was that I bought it at a time when these were of no special value at all. it has been in a box in my garage ever since. It just seems very unlikely that anyone would have been faking these in 1975. I think you missed the bigger point. In my opinion you can take virtually any part that was mass produced to less than exacting standards almost 45 years ago and find inconsistencies in the way it was marked at the factory. Kind of makes it difficult to know what is real anymore doesn't it?[/QUOTE]
#287
I am not trying to slander in any way this ebay seller, but check out the 3, 6, and 9 stamps used on the body of the 1108389 starters that they have listed.
I almost bought one, but after discovering this I thought I should share with other prospective buyers/ CO family
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Pontiac...0aac93&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-Olds...item416ee82fff
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-Pontiac...item416bae3154
I almost bought one, but after discovering this I thought I should share with other prospective buyers/ CO family
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Pontiac...0aac93&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-Olds...item416ee82fff
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-Pontiac...item416bae3154
#288
I am not trying to slander in any way this ebay seller, but check out the 3, 6, and 9 stamps used on the body of the 1108389 starters that they have listed.
I almost bought one, but after discovering this I thought I should share with other prospective buyers/ CO family
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Pontiac...0aac93&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-Olds...item416ee82fff
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-Pontiac...item416bae3154
I almost bought one, but after discovering this I thought I should share with other prospective buyers/ CO family
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Pontiac...0aac93&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-Olds...item416ee82fff
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-Pontiac...item416bae3154
#290
Original 890 open face with original ink stamp. This has never been mounted on a car.
Can someone confirm how to read the date and what it is? 9L19
Can someone confirm how to read the date and what it is? 9L19
Last edited by jensenracing77; August 4th, 2014 at 05:29 PM.
#292
#294
lol 66- I thought you were going to run off with it before i could get him the money.
Very glad to meet you guys. I met many new people and starting to remember names just a little.
Very glad to meet you guys. I met many new people and starting to remember names just a little.
Last edited by jensenracing77; August 4th, 2014 at 06:16 PM.
#295
I'm not being mean,just messin with Eric because I held this alternator in my hand. It's the real deal but if I'm seeing the #'s right,they are not exactly straight and that seems to be one of the criteria. It was a pleasure to meet you and the other guys and I'm sorry we couldn't stay longer.
#296
#299
The carb that Rand5204 posted is definitely real or the most brilliant fake. I am not just saying that because you elaborated on some details. There is pretty much one consistent aspect of original carbs that the scammers don't seem to know or copy very well. Octania has eluded to it and it is to do with how the numbers were stamped. There can be some inconsistent numbers and letters but the part number is stamped the same way every time.
#300
No one will really look at the date anyway. I think the openface alternator really makes the under the hood pop. Mine is a bit older date but my car was built on the 18th otherwise I'd trade with you.
#301
#302
I located another one from a member here that is the perfect date to my car. Not sure if I will go with his and let this one go or keep this one. I have the faked one on there now with FAKE stamped into it. Now that i have a real one, the restamp is not even close.
#303
Cruising epay and found this, as I try to educate myself on this issue. Any thoughts on the this listing as being real. I know nothing of who this seller is, but listing does state it as an orginal.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-7042953...58cb66&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-7042953...58cb66&vxp=mtr
#304
ck my stamps
just finish reading this thread and like all the others I started thinking what about my carb and dist may I should post them just to make shore they are original. this dist. and carb. were purchased from a very reputable person on this forum, all my life I wanted a completely original #s matching w-30 with a total nut and bolt restoration. please let me know
thanks ray
thanks ray
Last edited by NDERISE; September 1st, 2014 at 10:48 AM.
#305
Ray, I hear ya loud-n-clear on wanting a "numbers" car. I think the crooks prey (and pray for) on people who are wanting a correct car. It is so unfortunate that this dilemma has become a "black cloud" hovering over our beloved hobby. When money enters, greed and deceit are sure to follow. CYA and don't be afraid to ask before you purchase. There are still plenty of good, honest, trustworthy fellow members who are willing to help a "brother".
#306
Ray,
IMO, I believe that your distributor and carb are NOT authentic.
Look at the other pictures posted in this thread to compare to. Also, I can mail you additional information.
I am looking in more detail at the OW tag and comparing to others transmissions/cars I personally own. I will get back to you on that.
I think I have a pretty good idea to where these parts came from!!!
You have a pm.
Thanks,
Sam
IMO, I believe that your distributor and carb are NOT authentic.
Look at the other pictures posted in this thread to compare to. Also, I can mail you additional information.
I am looking in more detail at the OW tag and comparing to others transmissions/cars I personally own. I will get back to you on that.
I think I have a pretty good idea to where these parts came from!!!
You have a pm.
Thanks,
Sam
Last edited by 72xw30; September 1st, 2014 at 12:05 PM. Reason: Spelling
#308
I'm the person Ray bought the car from. The parts in question,the carb and distributor was bought from Brian Trick by me. If they are re stamps,I'm pissed big time. I paid good money for them and did not know they were re stamped. I do not do business that way,never have never will. As far as the OW trans goes,it came with the car when I bought it and the vin # matches the car. So I'm confident it's the correct trans for the car. You don't know how pissed I am about this because I thought I was doing business with a reputable guy,evidently not.
#309
Ray,
Can you post a picture of the ViN stamping on the trans?
The stencil stamping of the OW in red on the trans. looks legit but a couple digits on the OW tag itself look different. BUT if Mike says it's legit then I'm sure it is.
Mike, I was taken too. I'm still trying to get a full refund from the seller of my "fake" W30 parts. I have received about 1/3 so far. Others on this board have received full refunds from the seller of their parts!
1000's of $$$$$ in total have been refunded to other Olds enthusiast over the past 6 months for "not real" W parts. - NO questions asked! I hope you all receive a refund as I hope to one day myself.
Mike, you have a pm.
This BS has to stop!!!
Sam
Can you post a picture of the ViN stamping on the trans?
The stencil stamping of the OW in red on the trans. looks legit but a couple digits on the OW tag itself look different. BUT if Mike says it's legit then I'm sure it is.
Mike, I was taken too. I'm still trying to get a full refund from the seller of my "fake" W30 parts. I have received about 1/3 so far. Others on this board have received full refunds from the seller of their parts!
1000's of $$$$$ in total have been refunded to other Olds enthusiast over the past 6 months for "not real" W parts. - NO questions asked! I hope you all receive a refund as I hope to one day myself.
Mike, you have a pm.
This BS has to stop!!!
Sam
Last edited by 72xw30; December 29th, 2015 at 09:41 PM. Reason: Added info.
#310
Ray,
Can you post a picture of the ViN stamping on the trans?
The stencil stamping of the OW in red on the trans. looks legit but a couple digits on the OW tag itself look different. BUT if Mike says it's legit then I'm sure it is.
Mike, I was taken too. I'm still trying to get a full refund from the seller of my "fake" W30 parts. I have received about 1/3 so far. Others on this board have received full refunds from the seller of their parts!! (You know who you are).
1000's of $$$$$ in total have been refunded to other Olds enthusiast over the past 6 months for "not real" W parts. - NO questions asked! I hope you all receive a refund as I hope to one day myself.
Mike, you have a pm.
This BS has to stop!!!
Sam
Can you post a picture of the ViN stamping on the trans?
The stencil stamping of the OW in red on the trans. looks legit but a couple digits on the OW tag itself look different. BUT if Mike says it's legit then I'm sure it is.
Mike, I was taken too. I'm still trying to get a full refund from the seller of my "fake" W30 parts. I have received about 1/3 so far. Others on this board have received full refunds from the seller of their parts!! (You know who you are).
1000's of $$$$$ in total have been refunded to other Olds enthusiast over the past 6 months for "not real" W parts. - NO questions asked! I hope you all receive a refund as I hope to one day myself.
Mike, you have a pm.
This BS has to stop!!!
Sam
#311
Hello Ray,
I would agree 100% with Sam and Deans findings as well. We have helped others in the past as well. Let's hope that there can be some compensation for the parts in question. Give me a call when you can. Pm'd you my info.
Thank you Mike for letting us know the history. Your a stand up guy and are highly respected in the Olds community. Hope you are doing well, haven't seen you since the 2010 nationals in Massachusetts
Steve
I would agree 100% with Sam and Deans findings as well. We have helped others in the past as well. Let's hope that there can be some compensation for the parts in question. Give me a call when you can. Pm'd you my info.
Thank you Mike for letting us know the history. Your a stand up guy and are highly respected in the Olds community. Hope you are doing well, haven't seen you since the 2010 nationals in Massachusetts
Steve
#312
no stamp pics
sorry sam the trans issue is closed my trans has a very good looking stencil and a very good stamping with and old scratched tag with no paint left on it, and is total original
thanks ray
thanks ray
#314
Ray,
No biggie to me - just trying to document things so it can be of use to help others down the road like this thread helped you.
Pleasure talking to you.
All the best,
Sam
#315
Mike did you contact ray in the late spring that some parts on his car are in question or did you just come out now because Ray is questioning parts Brian Tricks name was associated months ago and dont get me wrong im not accusing you of anything and i hope you told Ray right away because if you didnt it like egg on the face and unfortunate to get stuck in the middle
#316
Right, and its a little complicated because if the parts are fake two people got screwed and then you have the issue of what the buyer paid for the car based on the original parts that he wanted and a seller that didnt know the parts were fake
#317
same her sam enjoyed talking to u also and what u and steve are doing is great to all on this forum. I just don't care to post the vin of my car on the web. if someone is advertising and what's to sell a #s matching car, all #s must be wright. thanks to guys like u and steve are here to help us get there.
will send u a email
will send u a email
#318
But since this thread was started you would be surprised of how many were reluctant to get compensated on their own volition
But each to their own
#320
i'am the guy that bought the car from mike, it is not his fault in any way he thought he was buying a no re-stamp carb and dist . just as all the others that have been scamed. he (mike) had no way of checking if the parts were re-stamps as the parts have been in my possession for the last 2 years. and was told as I was told they were not re-stamped so y worrier. but thanks to steve and sam we can verify the parts we need to be original ones. I think more people will come forward with these problems in time.
thanks ray
thanks ray