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Old October 4th, 2009, 01:12 PM
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Photos from Fall Carlisle

Here's the photos I took at Fall Carlisle. Please let me know of any errors I've made in identifying cars, etc. Thanks.

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that 60k rallye red 442 used to be owned by an elderly gentleman here in columbus with a very bad coordination Problem,he ran the gas and brake with the left foot,almost took out a row of cars at a car show a while back in that car

i wonder if he Passed away

i bet every car there was bought at an estate sale
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Thank you for posting the pictures, there were some nice looking cars in the bunch. The item that jumped out at me was the 1971 clone with the nice sign had something besides SSI wheels on it. Maybe Buick rallys? For the investment he put into the car I hope I'm wrong, but that's what they looked like to me. John
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In '72 the 442 option was available on the Supreme convertible.
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Originally Posted by 1969w3155
In '72 the 442 option was available on the Supreme convertible.
Thanks. I'll fix it. I figure the owner has to know what he has.
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Originally Posted by jaunty75
Here's the photos I took at Fall Carlisle. Please let me know of any errors I've made in identify cars, etc. Thanks.
Great photos, thanks for posting. FYI, the incorrect W-36 stripes I was referring to were the ones on the Sport Coupe. I didn't see the other 68 but clearly those are wrong too.

The 71 clone did have Buick wheels.

The 64 wagon was cool, but I was skeptical of the fresh primer on a Massachusetts car. Having grown up in central MA, I know why they call it the rust belt.

The blue 63 Starfire was beautiful.

The red 67 442 for $15,500 is the one that needs the front bumper.
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Thanks Jaunty! As usual, your excellent pics and narration make it the next best thing to being there.
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You did a great job with the photography. Did you have any time left to shop???
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Thanks. I've gone through and updated some of the comments.
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Originally Posted by bigoldscruiser
You did a great job with the photography. Did you have any time left to shop???
Oh yes. Taking the photos took maybe an hour, hour and a half. I spent the rest of the time wandering through the aisles. I was there about 7 hours all together.
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Nice pics, Jaunty.
The 69 convert with the fuzzy dice looks to be a 70, though.
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TK-65, this car was outside the show area, wasn't it? They owner was apparently trying to avoid paying whatever you had to pay to bring his car inside?
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Originally Posted by Cameo White
The 69 convert with the fuzzy dice looks to be a 70, though.
Are you sure about this? The owner of that car didn't list the year on his info sheet under the windshield. But if you compare this car to the very first one I show, the orange 442 that the guy wanted $60,000 for, the grilles are different, and the orange one IS a '70 according to the price sticker in the windshield.

The yellow 442 convertible further down on my page of photos has the same grille as the $60,000 orange one. The owner of the yellow one called his a '70, also.

Of the '68-72 Cutlasses, I always liked the '68s best because it was the only year the turn signal lights were between the headlights, so you could always tell at a glance what year it was.
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That's correct I can tell by the front marker light. '69's are smaller and higher up with chrome trim plus the grill is wrong although it doesn't look like a '70 grill either.
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Check out this similar angle of my friends '69 and you'll see what I mean.
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Originally Posted by jon69olds
That's correct I can tell by the front marker light.
What's correct? That the one with the fuzzy dice I'm calling a '69 really is a '70 or that it's not a '70?

I have to admit that the photo of your friend's '69 doesn't look like either the one I'm calling a '69 nor like the various '70's that were there. As you say, the grille is different on the dice-'69. What's the story here?
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The Orange ragtop is a 1970 Supreme.
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Sorry about the confusion with my earlier post guess I should have been clearer. I meant that the orange convertible wasn't a '69. And someone just pointed out that it is a '70. Great pictures by the way and thanks for posting them.
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Originally Posted by sixty9olds
The Orange ragtop is a 1970 Supreme.
Thanks. I'll fix it.
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I enjoyed the pictures as well. I am starting to think that there might be more W36 stripes on cars that are applied incorrectly than cars with correct stripes (thanks Joe!).
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The first 1968 "442" you posted in your pics is actually a Cutlass S with a 442 grille and terrible W36 stripes--it's actually one solid stripe.

If there's no rust in it, that turquoise '68 4-speed 442 is a smoking deal. And a Sports Coupe, no less!
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Originally Posted by 68Tom
The first 1968 "442" you posted in your pics is actually a Cutlass S with a 442 grille and terrible W36 stripes--it's actually one solid stripe.
Thanks. I'll fix the comment on the pics page.
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Originally Posted by jaunty75
Here's the photos I took at Fall Carlisle. Please let me know of any errors I've made in identifying cars, etc. Thanks.
Are you sure that 1985 is a "Ciera"? I thought the Ciera was a front wheel job that came out a couple of years later. This looks more like Brougham or Supreme.

Anyway, your pictures are really impressive. I've never been to Carlisle. Holy metalworks Batman! That show is huge!!

My favorites are the 1970 yellow 442 convertible (kind of not sure about this, but shouldn't those sport mirrors be different? The 1970 sport mirrors were one of a kind. The ones on this car look like 71/72)

The other one I really loved was the green 1972 442 convertible.

What's mostly funny to me about these pics (not you my friend, the messages left on the windows) was that it seemed like a park it and disappear act. Better have yer cell phone, or forget it.

Some of those prices are IMO outrageously ridiculous. Having said that, there's a 1970 HO Pace car selling at a dealership about 20 miles from me that they want 62,000.00 for. And it's not perfect either. No information given. You have to go to them and ask, they won't give it over the phone. Huh? Not driving 20 miles one way to see something that's overpriced and not documented.
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Are you sure that 1985 is a "Ciera"? I thought the Ciera was a front wheel job that came out a couple of years later. This looks more like Brougham or Supreme.
No, I'm not 100% sure. I'll check my references again.



What's mostly funny to me about these pics (not you my friend, the messages left on the windows) was that it seemed like a park it and disappear act. Better have yer cell phone, or forget it.
I can understand not wanting to hang around your car all day as there's so much else to see and it's not like people are lining up at each car for sale to hand over their money. But, as you say, you should leave good contact info, as most everyone selling a car did. It's the few who didn't that stood out.

I wonder what fraction of cars for sale at an event like this actually change hands. One thing they kept saying over the loudspeakers is that there was an on-site bank to help with the financing of any car you might like to purchase.
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Originally Posted by Allan R
Are you sure that 1985 is a "Ciera"? I thought the Ciera was a front wheel job that came out a couple of years later. This looks more like Brougham or Supreme.
It's not, it's a RWD Cutlass Supreme 4dr. On the other hand, the Ciera came out in 1982 and was supposed to replace the RWD Cutlass. Fortunately, GM came to their senses and kept the RWD cars as well, which is why the A-body designation switched to G-body that year.
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It's not, it's a RWD Cutlass Supreme 4dr.
Thanks. Keep those corrections coming!
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Originally Posted by jaunty75
No, I'm not 100% sure. I'll check my references again.



I can understand not wanting to hang around your car all day as there's so much else to see and it's not like people are lining up at each car for sale to hand over their money. But, as you say, you should leave good contact info, as most everyone selling a car did. It's the few who didn't that stood out.

I wonder what fraction of cars for sale at an event like this actually change hands. One thing they kept saying over the loudspeakers is that there was an on-site bank to help with the financing of any car you might like to purchase.
We actually bought my wife's wagon out at Spring Carlisle. It wasn't in the car coral but in a booth with car parts. It is very easy to do these things out there. We were able to get funds out of our bank, Change titles and be on our way.
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This car will probably be at Carlisle again this year.. It has been on eBay several times in the past 2 years too. Only thing I can say is that I firmly believe that it is a real factory 67 W-30 car but it does NOT have any of the original drive components and accordingly, it is overpriced (MOO). Thats probably why it hasnt sold? It is a nice car though!! I have looked it over pretty good on at least two occassions.
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