dfire25

Two original low mile 71 442's on eBay. A black one that has 9,939 original miles and a Viking blue one with 18,319.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Oldsmobile-4...US_Cars_Trucks

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Oldsmobile-4...US_Cars_Trucks

Vader

Awesome cars. Damn shame they don't have OAI hoods.

RALLYE KID

why do the two cars have different shade of 455 blue paint on them ??? Why does the viking blue car have 66-69 super stock I wheels on it????? The viking blue car's engine bay looks redone for their it my have "low mileage " but not survivor original. Makes you wonder about these two cars don't get me wrong they are nice cars.

72 w29 all green

Read the ad on that blue car again; the seller does state "underhood has had minor detail"; it looks like that includes some repainting.

That black car must be the same 8,000 mile original that i saw at Fall Hershey about eight years ago. It looked very original to me then. Also it's nice to see this car without the typical slew of options added later (OAI, wing, Custom Sport steering wheel, 8-crap tape deck).

dfire25

Also found this one for sale on eBay. I've seen this car in person and it's beautiful! It's definitely 29k original. When I looked at it though it was at a different dealer, and they defiantly didn't want 25k. More like 14k. This guy is insane if he thinks he can get 25k for a 71 plain jane supreme. This car is identical to my first car, except mine had A/C.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Oldsmobile-C...US_Cars_Trucks

dc2x4drvr

I like the hood(s)..

72 w29 all green

I wonder what happened to the original grilles and rims. Different definitions of "original" out there.

stevengerard

I like all three cars, all look great. Seem like a lot of money but worth asking I guess. The 71 supreme has the 1970 type vinyl trim molding. I thought that went away for 71.

61reoldsman

IDK ,something seems kinda fishy about the first two cars ,how does one seller have two 1971 442's ,very similar in appearance and quality,and claimed original paint come into his possession?

oldspackrat

Steven,
Both '70 & '71 could have had the halo top. In '72 it went away.

It has '72 grills & early to mid '80's wheels? Also a '70 passenger fender?? It was made in 3 of '71, I know some early '71 cars could have had the '70 fenders, but not sure about a car made in March? Still a nice car though despite my nit picking.

stevengerard

a) bought years ago
b) went out of their way to find e the cars
c) lucky

Thanks Scott for clarification on Halo top

69ho aurora

Those aren't 66-69 rims (14x6). Those are the correct 14x7 chromes. Not sure when they became available (late 70 model year?)

dfire25

Yep, my very first car was a 71 Supreme with a halo top. Exactly like this one, down to the color and interior.

Nice catch on the 70 fender Scott, I even seen the car in person and I missed that! That would probably explain the 72 grills then. The car was probably hit at one point in its life.

orange442

You could get full chrome 14x7 SSI's in 1971 only.

Rocketbrian

What's interesting to me about both those 442s is the placement of the side stripes, as they are reported to be original. As I asked before in a previous thread, I was wondering the correct distance between the 442 numbers on the fender and the start of the first pin stripe. Both these seem closer than you usually see on restored cars. Also, the biggest variation is how high up the stripe is on the forward portion of the front fender above the side marker light. Also, they are very level. Most painters place the stripes farther down and follow the character line of the fender. This will help me when my 71 442 is painted next year. Thanks for pointing these cars out to us. Its unfortunate, in my opinion they both came with manual drum brakes, but that's what you received if you didn't order power brakes. Another notable item on the black 442 is the original pin stripe whitewalls, which was standard for a non-W30 442. On any regular Cutlass you got blackwalls. You certainly don't see these whitewalls at car shows. Sometimes, the lack of options, and performance options, ie., the regular hood, has it's own charms. I love the centre hood stripe and "Oldsmobile" on the hood, again something we don't see very often. Beautiful cars.

dc2x4drvr

I compared the stripes on the black car, and my car and at least in the pics they're pretty close. I just hope they come out the same when my car gets new paint next month.

wmachine

THIS CAR CAME WITH THE M22 TRANSMISSION. I HIGHLY DOUBT 100 442'S WERE MADE WITH THIS TRANS IN 1971.

I know he's just trying to say it is unusual, which it is, but there were 386 442s in '71 that got the M22.

tkw31

How many of the 386 that got M-22 transmissions were W-30's? I would imagine, probably most of them.....

RALLYE KID

I thought the supper stock I'S HAD A TRIM RING ON THEM AFTER 1969 ????

wmachine

The report does not have combinations of options, so it does not tell us how many were W30s. But there were only 271 4-spd w30s total. So I wouldn't be so sure that most of them were W30s.

Nope. We're not doing very good with Super Stock wheels in this thread.
The separate trim ring was '70 only. '71 was (as mentioned above) was full chrome and the only year they were 14" x 7". Gone '72 on.
FWIW, the ones on this '71 look like repops to me.

tkw31

I've seen the car (amazing) and looked closely at the wheels, also. They're definately not re-pops. The wheels are the nicest '71 only (flash chrome) SS1 wheels I've ever seen.

Vader

nice to see original details in the engine compartment for reference.
I like the sender ! :-)

Rocketbrian

Speaking of details, some interesting noteables: I was wondering if the black one was an earlier build as it has a combination of tower and double wire hose clamps. Also like my Aug 31/70 build of my 442 it came through without the chrome backing plates for the door armrests. 442s were suppose to have them like Supremes, otherwise the same as "S" models. As it appears to have the flat non ridged fenders that is probably the case. The blue one has the chrome backing plates.
Another difference is the PCV system. The black one has the PCV on the drivers valve cover like both of my 71 455s. On the blue one it has the air cleaner vent on the drivers side and maybe also on the passenger side. This seems like a W30, and maybe due to it being a 4 speed car. I'll look in my assembly manual later to see if that's why it's different.

69HO43

4-speeds had an intake similar to 69 H/Os. Had a PCV port near the thermostat housing and featured dual valve cover filters.

Del70

...are thoes daul snorkel air cleaners?

vette442

Yes - NH dual snorkel air cleaners are correct for 1971 442s (auto and stick) as well as 1972 455/M20 cars without OAI.

Terry

vette442

The owner also has the 3,000 mile Saddle Bronze '72 442 that he bought from John Ebbs several years ago, and I've seen him with a number of other really nice nice survivor cars at the N. Ohio show over the years. He actively looks for these types of cars and is willing to pay the $$ to get them. I've seen the blue '71 - it's beautiful. Nothing fishy at all.

Terry

RALLYE KID

I would love to see a picture of these so called 71 special chrome super stock I 's

vette442

Here is a '71 SX with its original all chrome SSIs:

oldspackrat

Here are a couple pix of them on my '72 conv. They are not factory installed, but still look good to me.

wmachine

Here is the so called wheel. Pretty well documented. Including the Olds Sales Album that is pretty specific in the description.
Would I kid you?

texxas

The wheel may look good but the tire is dangerous. You don't drive on that tire do you? That thing's cracked all the way around the side wall. I know they haven't made STs in years.

mmurphy77

Let's not forget that while the 14" all-chrome SSI (series 2) wheels WERE now available in '71, the series 1 style SSI wheel (with trim ring) was also still being used that year and continued through 1972.

scott_442

Here is what appears to be an original set of all chrome SS1's on ebay....http://www.ebay.com/itm/111202987398...84.m1555.l2649

Rocketbrian

Ive wondered before when someone ordered their car and specified SS1 wheels did they have any idea which version they would have received? Both wheels were option PO5. Was it the luck of the draw or was it during a specific calendar period Olds used the chrome version? My guess as the chrome was a new design it may have started out that way and they reverted back to the trim ring style later on and then continued into the 72 model year. It would be interesting to note the build dates of the cars with the chrome versions.

scott_442

Info I received from another source....

UAW strike (fall of '70) caused a shortage of many parts. One part affected was the Oldsmobile SSI 14x7.0" wheel w/trim ring. The solution was to take inventory off-the-shelf at Motor Wheel Corp.: 14x7.0" 4-3/4" bolt circle "Magnum 500s" intended for the aftermarket & supply Oldsmobile with these wheels.

Rocketbrian

Makes sense, thanks. That strike seemed to affect alot during that period including giving us another year of our favorite A bodies. Those wheels on Ebay are a rare find and look very good. Cheers.

mmurphy77

My '71 has a late production date (May 19th, 1971) and the P05 option on it's GM of Canada documentation and was built with the SSI wheels with trim rings.