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Old March 16th, 2023, 07:54 PM
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To paint or polish Vin

I'm going to be repainting the fire wall and am kinda lik

ing the idea of polishing it up. Thoughts...

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Old March 16th, 2023, 08:46 PM
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That's not the vin. Don't beat it too hard or you'll hurt the font. Light sand, then paint the black of the rest of the firewall.
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I used some paint thinner and some 400. So black like the firewall?
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Yes, it was riveted on, then glops of seam sealer were dabbed on the rivets, then it got painted with the firewall. Semi-gloss or satin black.
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Yeah I think I'll go with the factory look minus the seam sealer...
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Put something there, it's a hole.
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Old March 16th, 2023, 10:43 PM
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There are rivets where the holes would be though?

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It'll still leak. The problem is where that is can let water lead down to the inside of the firewall or between the panels. A relatively minor problem, especially if the car stays in the garage and only sees good weather.
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the rivets center is pushed thru when being installed just put a dab of plumbers' putty, or divers' gum on it and smooth it over.
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Originally Posted by oldolds88
the rivets center is pushed thru when being installed just put a dab of plumbers' putty, or divers' gum on it and smooth it over.
will do....liquid nails should do it!
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Ummmm, there's a big hole with a screen over behind it. Don't the rivet holes go through to the cowl?
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Originally Posted by fleming442
Ummmm, there's a big hole with a screen over behind it. Don't the rivet holes go through to the cowl?
Yes. Water gets into the cowl under normal conditions. That's why there are drains at the bottom of the side panels. The cowl tag rivets have a dab of seam sealer from the factory not for water sealing but to prevent vibration.

And FYI, these are not normal rivets.



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I'd think that the seam-sealer on the rivets is there to keep cowl rainwater from dribbling down the firewall. Joe, never thought vibration prevention.
Trim tags are stamped aluminum, I wouldn't touch 'em with any abrasive. Solvent wipe and spray.

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These guys have a custom tool (they say) if you're interested & totally retentive regarding what the back-side of the rivet should look like (who would care WTF the back-side looks like?). At any rate:

RIVET INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS

These instructions are for Trim Tag rivet installation only.

There are two methods to install the rivets:

1) The easiest way is to merely epoxy the rivets in place (do not use super glue). Put a small amount of epoxy around the barrel part of the rivet and push the rivet through the trim tag into the firewall/cowl. Let the epoxy set and the tag will look like it was installed at the factory. No one can see behind the firewall/cowl to see that the rivet was not crushed against the back. As an extra precaution I would suggest putting a dab of the epoxy on the back of the trim tag.

2) We now offer a custom made rivet installation tool for an additional $17.00 when you order a new trim tag. This tool will ensure that the rivets are installed in precisely the same way the factory installed them at the plant. The appearance of the rivet from both the front and the back will be factory correct. Also, note that most trim tag rivets had Black Sealer/ Body Filler (caulk) pushed into the hollow part of the rivet after installation

Click here for Rivet Ordering Instructions.
SOURCE: http://www.trimtags.com/rivet-instal...tructions.html
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Originally Posted by Vintage Chief
These guys have a custom tool (they say) if you're interested & totally retentive regarding what the back-side of the rivet should look like (who would care WTF the back-side looks like?). At any rate:



SOURCE: http://www.trimtags.com/rivet-instal...tructions.html
Or you can drill a small hole in the center of the rivet, install a small bolt through with a nut and washers on each end, drawing them tight to squish the rivet, remove nut bolt and washer, & dab a factory looking wad of caulk in the hole on the top of the rivet. (I'm not sure the back side of mine looks any different....lol)

Looks identical to factory:


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Mike - That looks nice (even oriented right-side up).



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Originally Posted by Vintage Chief
These guys have a custom tool (they say)
I actually have the tool. You can also use a punch. This isn't rocket science. You just have to push down on the dome part down inside the rivet, which expands the cylinder enough to lock it in place. This is not a highly-loaded application. The factory did this in seconds on the assembly line.
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
I actually have the tool. You can also use a punch. This isn't rocket science. You just have to push down on the dome part down inside the rivet, which expands the cylinder enough to lock it in place. This is not a highly-loaded application. The factory did this in seconds on the assembly line.
I didn’t even realize they were designed to be punched and expanded. I swear the rivets I bought didn’t look like the ones you posted above
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That's the one part I decided to go with chemicals.
Paint stripper worked amazingly well.


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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
I actually have the tool. You can also use a punch. This isn't rocket science. You just have to push down on the dome part down inside the rivet, which expands the cylinder enough to lock it in place. This is not a highly-loaded application. The factory did this in seconds on the assembly line.
Pardon me; but, if you own the tool - I'd consider it rocket science.



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Originally Posted by allyolds68
...drawing them tight to squish the rivet...
Squish is close. I think they're actually called crush rivets.
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Originally Posted by allyolds68
I didn’t even realize they were designed to be punched and expanded. I swear the rivets I bought didn’t look like the ones you posted above
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Well 'someon' got a little trigger happy with the wire brush....ill take pics after I clean it up with some thinner.

Is the "1" factory?
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Originally Posted by Carsick
Is the "1" factory?​​​​​
You're scaring me. What "1" are you talking about?
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Oh I see it now...the sideways "1".

Don't know.
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Originally Posted by Rallye469
That's the one part I decided to go with chemicals.
Paint stripper worked amazingly well.

I second the stripper worked well if you use the wire brush you will destroy the tag its just a flimshy Aluminum? plate..
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Originally Posted by Carsick

Well 'someon' got a little trigger happy with the wire brush....ill take pics after I clean it up with some thinner.

Is the "1" factory?
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Yes that's why we said not to do that....
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Originally Posted by F-85 4-4-2
I'd think that the seam-sealer on the rivets is there to keep cowl rainwater from dribbling down the firewall. Joe, never thought vibration prevention.
Trim tags are stamped aluminum, I wouldn't touch 'em with any abrasive. Solvent wipe and spray.
I defiantly learned my lesson, I mean that guy probably did.
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the only tool we used at the factorywas a scratch awl with the end shorted,rounded and polished,put it on rivet,smack with palm of hand
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Originally Posted by oldolds88
the only tool we used at the factorywas a scratch awl with the end shorted,rounded and polished,put it on rivet,smack with palm of hand
....and there you have it.
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Curious about the sideways '1' though. Anybody know?
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It's a Fremont plate. Who knows?
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Yup me too...
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Curious about the sideways '1' though. Anybody know?
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