Nice to chime in here and offer your sage and now post dated advice. This car was on the open market for two years. Not one person stepped forward to ask about trades, offers or a gentlemans conversation. Talk now is cheap. I did not make any money on this car so I am not in the hobby for profit

I wanted to sell the car,it was time!

A dealer in Texas bought( stole) it. Probably on the market as I type this. So step when he offers it for sale.

 

Hi Paul
Was this car at the Olds club of America show in Seattle?
Do you have any other Oldsmobile's ? I'm also in BC just wondering if I have seen any other of your cars?

 

Paul, you are a galant man for adding to this thread. I commend you for doing so. I hear you loud-n-clear on the "right time to sell". I knew you weren't coming home with it when I saw you offering the empty trailer for the ride home. I never saw you car in person, so I can't comment on the visual "demerits" that have been noted. I've sold stuff below what the market says they are worth, and believe me , I bought plenty of them cheap, too. That decision was totally your's to make and it sounds as though it was made before you left The a Great White North.
I have a friend that took a '69 Camaro to Russo Steele in Monterey. He lives in PA. As of last night he still owns it; it was to be on a one-way trip.
In the big picture, your car is gone and you can turn the page to the next chapter.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!

 

The car has been for sale for a while and was even on this site. The car was not a frame off resto but a very nice example of a 66 W-30. The car had a 66 W-30 engine but not the original unit it left the factory with. The original rear axle which is a very hard unit to find was not in the car either.

This is what happened with the engine/rear axle deal. At one time this #18 & #27 cars were both owned by Roger Brink who for some reason swapped the correct original W-30 engine for # 27 into # 18 and at the same time swapped the 'TT' code correct axle from #18 into #27. The engine from # 18 was not an original W-30 engine because as with most of these cars the original engine was blown and replaced. Why Roger swapped the correct 'TT' code rear axle from #18 to #27 which did not have the original correct rear axle is something only he can answer. Andy Hanson a friend of mine owns the #27 car that's currently undergoing a complete frame off resto tried to get the engine back from Paul so that his car would be made whole again. Paul didn't want to do it but tried to buy the 'TT' code rear axle from his #18 car from Andy to get the original rear axle back under his car but Andy wouldn't sell it to him. These cars are on a roster with documented proof of which engine was with what car @ the time of documentation. I'm not saying Paul or Andy who by the way are great guys were right by not selling or swapping the engine or axle but it's a shame that the cars couldn't be put back as close to original as possible. It's a tough call but it was theirs to make.

 

well knowing this info about the engine/axle i think at 52k is a decent price

 

In my book the 66 W30 is the "Holy Grail" when it comes to Oldsmobile performance and set the stage for things to come. I guess the 70-71 cars bring the most money and feel this body style is more liked over the 66-67 cars.

 

Don't know if this is a response to my comment but I stand by what I said. It's not a knock at all on the car. If I hated the car I would have said so after seeing it. This thread is about why it sold so cheap. My feeling is it's not a true #1 car. And with mikes info it makes more sense why it sold for what it did.

 

I didnt say anything about what I knew about the car out of respect for Paul until he sold the car. I don't think he misrepresented the car @ all by saying it has a correct W-30 engine which it does. Like I said,it's not a frame off totally restored car but a very nice car. Auctions are weird sometimes and what a car brings is not representative of the true value of any car. When somebody asks me what I think a car is worth,I'm really lost @ values because of so many variables.

 

Unfortunately the collector car market has been brainwashed into believing that condition is more important that what it is to begin with. Therefore a totally perfect incorrect modern paint job is valued higher than original paint with a half dozen chips in it. And the latter won't be a "#1" car. Boo hoo.
That is a misplaced sense of value as far as I'm concerned. "Only in the collector car market" does such absurdity exist. Try restoring (refinishing) antique furniture and see what happens to the value of it.

 

I could be wrong but I think this car had been painted previously. I agree an original presentable paint car would be equal or better than a repainted car.

 

x2 mike

 

That car should be worth way more than a "1970 w30." To me at least. The 66 w30 is a true gem and a factory race car. Thats hot rodding!! To have there be one not fully restored and documented is a beautiful thing. They are stupid rare and I am shocked at how cheap it sold for. That's one hell of a car and whoever owns it is one lucky dude.

 

Sorry, Mike. I did not mean to imply that this car has original paint. I just meant to give an example of the absurdity with the obsession with condition.

It went to a dealer, unfortunately. We're all unlucky dudes. That car is now condemned to life as an "Ebay Showcar" where it will be offered at too high prices by an endless line of opportunistic flippers, never to land in the lap of an enthusiast.

 

70W30 production 3,100

66W30 production 54

The numbers do speak for the 66!

Henry

 

And to those that think the '70 W30 4-spd convertible is the epitome of rare performance Oldsmobiles, there were 96 made of those.

But it is more than just numbers. A convertible is almost an oxymoron of performance. It can't be the performance king to its lighter brethren (even the hardtops and coupes of the same year). So it has neither the performance nor rarity edge over a '66 W30.
What is does have is more popularity with those who have deep pockets willing to spend the money.
And that is a reflection of the buyers, not the cars.

 

I have a feeling that the female counterparts are more easily buttered up by the convertible feature as well.
Probably easier to convince the ol' lady to spend the pension if she gets to play Barbie again.

And if you're divorced, it'll be much easier to pick up new barbies in one. Lol.

 

That "obsession" exists with ANYTHING collectible. Its not absurd nor an obsession, its a fact. Should Pauls W30 be worth the same amount as the one found in Minnesota? They both exist and are real. Using your arguments their condition shouldn't matter, just as long as they exist.

 

If you'd read my previous posts before popping in, you'd find that I gave an example of exactly what I said and meant. Try that instead of misusing what I said and coming to a conclusion that I never said. My argument never said or implied that condition doesn't matter.

 

Low mileage cars, or anything else, in very nice condition rarely get restored. And if they do the value usually drops. Like restoring antique furniture. People want the originality that comes with the low mileage. Now more than ever original low mileage cars are sought after. And with that cars that are in better condition are worth more than lesser cars. Condition matter in everything, from houses to comic books. Classic car market is not the only one obsessed with condition.

 

Was going to offer more info about the sale. However,reading the later comments,it's time to move on.

 

Yep, the direction Tk-65 is going pretty well tells me it's time to move on and let it rest......

 

Paul

Any info you would like to share would be appreciated but if it has gotten to the point it's not worth the hassle,I understand. In my opinion the condition of the car was no way an indication of the value of the car. I just think it was one of those times when it didn't work like it should.

Mike