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September 5th, 2014, 10:47 AM
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FYIW,talk about re stamped,this car was not a factory heater delete car. A well known undesirable put the incorrect firewall plates and had a cowl tag made to show it being a heater delete car. He had a tag made that was wrong and after he found that out,he had another cowl tag made to correct his DA mistake. I have photographic proof of all three cowl tags,the original,the screw up and the corrected tag.
September 5th, 2014, 10:52 AM
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I believe the guy who was selling it was a dealer who had a bunch of other cars. I in no way verified the authenticity of the car, but he was hoping for something around $60k. I just listened and looked at the car, it presented well on a short walk around.
September 6th, 2014, 04:16 PM
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FYIW,talk about re stamped,this car was not a factory heater delete car. A well known undesirable put the incorrect firewall plates and had a cowl tag made to show it being a heater delete car. He had a tag made that was wrong and after he found that out,he had another cowl tag made to correct his DA mistake. I have photographic proof of all three cowl tags,the original,the screw up and the corrected tag.
September 6th, 2014, 05:23 PM
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September 6th, 2014, 06:06 PM
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FYIW,talk about re stamped,this car was not a factory heater delete car. A well known undesirable put the incorrect firewall plates and had a cowl tag made to show it being a heater delete car. He had a tag made that was wrong and after he found that out,he had another cowl tag made to correct his DA mistake. I have photographic proof of all three cowl tags,the original,the screw up and the corrected tag.
September 6th, 2014, 06:39 PM
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September 6th, 2014, 08:08 PM
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September 6th, 2014, 08:21 PM
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That's why I'm hesitant to give a value on a car when asked. There's no way that car is worth more than Paul's W-30 car. How do we know when bids are straight up? All we can do is shake our heads.
September 7th, 2014, 07:10 AM
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as far as i am concerned i wouldnt pay 5k for that pos car its a fraud and forgery to replace body tags no telling what else is fake about it, the amount of greed is unbelievable
its not the cars fault,dont know why he didnt leave it alone
its not the cars fault,dont know why he didnt leave it alone
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September 7th, 2014, 08:05 AM
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Yeah, "it's okay to do that as long as it is disclosed". Sure. One of the worst excuses ever.
September 7th, 2014, 09:18 AM
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The 65 is a clone. No 4V on the cowl tag. Wasnt a 4 speed either. Sold for 31,000.
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September 7th, 2014, 09:27 AM
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****NOTICE THE 66 OLDS PLATE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF PICTURE*********
The Olds plate is raised/embossed in the center unlike the flat plate the Chevy's use.
After thinking about this some more,I have only seen 3 examples of 66 heater delete plates. The two 66 W-30 cars and the plates I got from Hawaii. The W 30 cars were built in Lansing and I have no idea about the plates from Hawaii. It could be a possibility that the Lansing cars plates vary from the other assembly plants. The general consensus is the Olds used the raised plates and the Chevy's used the flat plates.
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September 7th, 2014, 09:55 AM
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Exactly right. Once one lies about something, everything is suspect. It is guys like that who cross the line and forge a body tag that are ruining things (and that car in particular) for everyone. So now the car is forever damaged. All because of greed. I know of another '66 442, an original 4-spd car that had the cowl tag forged simply to change the color.
Yeah, "it's okay to do that as long as it is disclosed". Sure. One of the worst excuses ever.
Yeah, "it's okay to do that as long as it is disclosed". Sure. One of the worst excuses ever.
September 7th, 2014, 11:31 AM
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I toke the plates off in Hawaii, where, I am from. I toke them off from Cutlass's and 442's from 1964 thru 1969, when, GM stop using them. The cars in Hawaii are generally from Freemont, unless it was a W-30 or W-31. Most of my plates I sold to one individual that he installed on his red 1966 W-30.
The last 1966 442 that I bought, I bought just for the heater delete. So, I have seen many heater delete plates, and they funded my education.
The last 1966 442 that I bought, I bought just for the heater delete. So, I have seen many heater delete plates, and they funded my education.
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September 7th, 2014, 11:40 AM
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I have sold that "style" of plate that you have pictured, however, I never toke them off a 66 or 67 Olds. I found them 64 and 65 Cutlass, and Buicks. Also, the "B" body used a plate that looked similar. Also, they had different versions of the blower motor cover plate. They also used different types of screws to fasten the plate. My favorite score, was when I removed a firewall plate, and there was two of them stuck together.
September 7th, 2014, 11:42 AM
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OK but remember we're debating 66 plates,not 69. I have no idea about the 69 plates mainly because they were on export cars only.
September 7th, 2014, 12:04 PM
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I'm telling you I know for a fact,not here say that those plates are Chevy repo's on that car. I know the crook that did it and the car was well known before he did it. The car was in MN and belonged to Dave Engle and it was a standard heater car. If pictures will convince you,I will post them and will that be the end of it?
September 7th, 2014, 01:10 PM
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My discussion here is not whether they are reproduction plates, or whether, the car is an original heater delete car, but pointing out that they used different plates, and they just did not have one "oldsmobile" plate. Further, I am not debating what came on a Lansing built car. However, I am pointing out that the plates you have pictured; I found them on 1964, and 1965 cars. Again, the individual that bought most my heater delete plates, put a set on his 1966 W-30 car.
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September 7th, 2014, 03:26 PM
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I knew you were talking about Ed Fochi's car and it has different plates than the original W-30 known correct cars. Does the fact he used plates off who knows what,it makes it correct? His car wasn't a heater delete car to begin with,it was converted. So does that make it a correct car? I know which plate is shown in the PIM and it isn't a non Olds plate.
September 7th, 2014, 04:11 PM
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Like, I said, those plates I toke off a 1966 442. All know car 13 was converted, and there is more than just adding the three plates. Again, I am not debating what came on a 1966 W-30. Also, it could be that Lansing only had the 64/65 plates (At build time of the 66 W-30s), since, not very many cars were produce in that part of Country with heater deletes. If you were in Hawaii, you would understand, and we will have to agree to disagree in this area.
September 7th, 2014, 04:15 PM
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The two known 66 W-30 cars used the round blower cover but the PIM shows the plate you pictured. You can see in the picture of the plates in Joe Donnelly's 66 W-30,it has the round cover. I can't remember which blower plate cover I got with the plates I got from Hawaii but the main cover was of the Olds/Lansing type.
September 7th, 2014, 04:57 PM
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Lets, look at this again. You only speak of two cars that were built in Lansing, and lets make this clear, that I am not debating what came on the two W-30's that you mentioned. If you think those two cars make it right for all 1966 Cutlass /442s, then that is a grave error.
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