Anyone going out there Thursday? I see a few Oldsmobiles running through.

 

Eric, I'll be out there pretty much all day Friday. Let me know if you wind up going both days.


Joe

 

I can only get out on Thursday.

 

Well it was a fun day, lots of cars. Did not buy a thing...some pic's of a few Oldsmobiles

 

And a few more

 

I fell in love with this one...

 

FYIW,talk about re stamped,this car was not a factory heater delete car. A well known undesirable put the incorrect firewall plates and had a cowl tag made to show it being a heater delete car. He had a tag made that was wrong and after he found that out,he had another cowl tag made to correct his DA mistake. I have photographic proof of all three cowl tags,the original,the screw up and the corrected tag.

 

I believe the guy who was selling it was a dealer who had a bunch of other cars. I in no way verified the authenticity of the car, but he was hoping for something around $60k. I just listened and looked at the car, it presented well on a short walk around.

 

Well it no saled @ $75k.

 

I think they are looking for over a $100K,good luck with that. How can this car bring $75K and Paul's W-30 30% less? Makes no sense what so ever.

 

I was thinking the very same thing, Pauls car was much nicer. I can't believe the guy no saled it.

 

What did the Rallye go for?

 

And he was passing this off as a legit car?, what an ultimate scumbag any chance you can post those pics and his name

 

To clarify,the car is a legit 66 L 69 442. What is not legit is the heater delete option on the cowl tag.

 

That Rallye did not sell. The bid got up to 20k.

 

Not the same crowd, not the same day and not the same place? Shill bidders in place?

Henry

 

That's why I'm hesitant to give a value on a car when asked. There's no way that car is worth more than Paul's W-30 car. How do we know when bids are straight up? All we can do is shake our heads.

 

Hope I am not offending anyone, but both Rallye cars were really rough.

 

He used the Chevy firewall plates,not Oldsmobile. He also used a repo dash plate.

 

as far as i am concerned i wouldnt pay 5k for that pos car its a fraud and forgery to replace body tags no telling what else is fake about it, the amount of greed is unbelievable

its not the cars fault,dont know why he didnt leave it alone

 

Exactly right. Once one lies about something, everything is suspect. It is guys like that who cross the line and forge a body tag that are ruining things (and that car in particular) for everyone. So now the car is forever damaged. All because of greed. I know of another '66 442, an original 4-spd car that had the cowl tag forged simply to change the color.
Yeah, "it's okay to do that as long as it is disclosed". Sure. One of the worst excuses ever.

 

The 65 is a clone. No 4V on the cowl tag. Wasnt a 4 speed either. Sold for 31,000.

442CloneDataTag_zpsf1243d18.jpg

 

There was a very nice looking 69 Hurst/Olds there that sold for $57,000.

 

OK Joe,you win,I don't have a clue what I'm talking about. I could go to the trouble of posting pictures showing the difference but you can do it yourself. When I'm not sure about something,I yield to the ones who do know. You can contact Curt Anderson who knows more about 66/67 A-Body Olds than anybody on the planet and he'll set you straight. Maybe Run To Rund will post pictures of his #24 66 W-30 that has the Olds heater delete showing the difference and then again,maybe he won't. I'm not trying to be a hard @$$ about this but I know what I'm talking about with this one. I have no idea where you found so many Olds heater delete cars to part out. I looked all over the country for years and finally found one in Hawaii. The other examples I have seen are on 66 W-30 cars,Run To Rund # 24 and car # 10. The below picture is from # 24.

****NOTICE THE 66 OLDS PLATE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF PICTURE*********

The Olds plate is raised/embossed in the center unlike the flat plate the Chevy's use.

After thinking about this some more,I have only seen 3 examples of 66 heater delete plates. The two 66 W-30 cars and the plates I got from Hawaii. The W 30 cars were built in Lansing and I have no idea about the plates from Hawaii. It could be a possibility that the Lansing cars plates vary from the other assembly plants. The general consensus is the Olds used the raised plates and the Chevy's used the flat plates.

 

Thoughts on a re body?

 

It used to get you 7 to 10 years, now it's gets you 7 to 10 times return on investment.

 

Really,why do you say that?

 

That's great info and the assembly plant could very well be the determining factor. I just know that the Lansing cars came with a different plate than the Chevy's. You can see a picture/diagram of the Olds plate in the 66 PIM/assembly manual. Curt Anderson even repo'd some of the Olds plates but ran out and is considering making another run depending demand. Did I get my plates from you back in the day? I got them from a guy in Hawaii and I think he had a 66 and we did some trading. I got all of the OCA members names & addresses from the OCA roster and sent them letters looking for the plates. I don't think I got any from that letter but did find them from a guy looking for 66 parts from Hawaii.

 

The 66 PIM/assembly manual shows the blower cover looking like the big car block off plates but the examples I have seen and are known are of the round Chevy style.

 

OK but remember we're debating 66 plates,not 69. I have no idea about the 69 plates mainly because they were on export cars only.

 

I'm telling you I know for a fact,not here say that those plates are Chevy repo's on that car. I know the crook that did it and the car was well known before he did it. The car was in MN and belonged to Dave Engle and it was a standard heater car. If pictures will convince you,I will post them and will that be the end of it?

 

If he put the Chevy style on a 66 W-30,it's wrong,if he put the 64/65 plates as you call them and they look like the plates I pictured,he's good to go.. The two 66 W-30 examples that exist have the plates I pictured. The plates I got out of Hawaii were of the Olds type.

 

How about non Olds,that suit you?

 

I knew you were talking about Ed Fochi's car and it has different plates than the original W-30 known correct cars. Does the fact he used plates off who knows what,it makes it correct? His car wasn't a heater delete car to begin with,it was converted. So does that make it a correct car? I know which plate is shown in the PIM and it isn't a non Olds plate.

 

Original heater delete 67 GTO sold in Hawaii. "Chevy" plate?

 

Looks like the heater motor cover isnt just a round piece. It extends downward.

 

The point being the known Lansing plates are what is considered the standard. You're completely ignoring the fact the picture inthe PIM matches the known Olds plates. You amaze me because you're one of the ones who experience in documenting these cars with facts. I acknowledged the fact Fremont could have used different plates but again,we use what we know to be a fact because of the known Lansing cars and the PIM showing the plates that are recognized as Olds plates. I am not disputing anything you say about what you pulled off cars in Hawaii,I wasn't there and you were. So I'll take your word for it but I'm just as sure of what is considered the correct plates for Lansing built 66 A-Body Olds.

 

The two known 66 W-30 cars used the round blower cover but the PIM shows the plate you pictured. You can see in the picture of the plates in Joe Donnelly's 66 W-30,it has the round cover. I can't remember which blower plate cover I got with the plates I got from Hawaii but the main cover was of the Olds/Lansing type.

 

OK,let me get this right. Known cars and factory documentation mean nothing. Gotcha.

 

If I'm wrong,so are a lot of other guys who consider them correct. If you want to change their minds,be my guest. You forgot to mention the factory documentation,why? You bet I think those two cars are representative of Lansing built A-Body Olds,nothing you have said or shown prove different. I have pictures to prove my point.