That alternator probably original to the car is fairly valuable, 1500? to a W30 guy, a real Thornton hood, 3500+.

 

I agree with a previous post that you should tell him to keep the hood and reduce the cost. I wouldn't budge on the alternator - sounds like the seller knows he has a $1200 to $1500 alternator on the car. I would ask where the original master cylinder went and if that's available? I know you want this car but just because it's local shouldn't push you to overspend. In my opinion, it's a buyer's market right now. I'd also have him deliver the car and all the parts to you as part of whatever your final deal is. Again, you need to know that all the parts removed from the car are coming with it so you don't have the headache of chasing down what's actually missing. Good luck.

 

This shop in Tucson is doing a ‘70 vert.
R&R Restoration, sorry I can’t paste their site info.

 

The alternator, if correct for the car, will be stamped "1100890" on the front aluminum case half....behind the adjusting bolt tab.

Being an AC car, that area is facing downwards w/the alt mounted on the motor/brackets. The 1100890 alt is the 55 amp version b/c of the car being an AC car.

If you can get the guy to remove the alt and take a pic of the stamping area you'll know if it's correct and possibly original to the car. Obviously the date code would need to precede the build date for the car.

I agree w/"WTHIRTY1".....it's a buyer's market and you shouldn't be giving up rare/valuable/original parts to get the car. The guy possibly started high and maybe he thinks his asking price was "fair"....natural attitude as he did (or had done) a lot of work on the car. BUT......his "personal" bias doesn't make the car more valuable.

Stick to your guns and quit "giving back" valuable parts. Maybe the reality of selling a project car hasn't sunk in w/the guy yet. You're negotiating against yourself w/any "You can keep XYZ super valuable part in trade for my $500-below-our-last-price offer". You would be much better off getting those rare/very valuable "give back" parts and buying the car and then selling those parts later. That's EXACTLY what the guy has in mind saying he'll keep the alternator. Sorry to say it but he'll be laughing at that alt "trade" idea.

Of course, you still need to VERIFY that the alt is what he says it is....it could be a fake.

Here's a pic of the stamping area on one of these alts...

 

wow, I had no idea that the alternator was that much to replace

 

THAT particular alternator is rare and highly sought after for correct restorations.

 

The problem is the guy knows you want the car.

 

 

The correct-for-1970 alts are a ONE YEAR ONLY deal and the stamping numbers are SPECIFIC TO the Oldsmobile cars (1100880 - non-AC and 1100890 - AC).

The guy is trying to play you w/the "I'll keep this part" BS. Stop falling for it and make the guy provide you w/valid proof that these potentially valuable parts are what he claims they are. Saying "it's original to the car" is one thing......w/the $ amounts at play and the value of some of these parts, you will be the only one to blame if you don't get 100% proof/verification.

 

The seller is dreaming, wonder how long it’s been for sale?

 

JOHNNYOLDS442.....You quoted my post above.....but added no additional info, questions, comments, etc....were you intending to add something?

 

I posted a “want 70 442 ad”it’s not even for sale.
He recently bought a 69 Hurst Olds recently for big bucks and was thinking about selling it to me along with his 70 trans Am to someone else who wants it.

 

BINGO!! Walk away from it for now until the seller gets realistic.

 

yeah, I haven’t spoke to him about it since Friday or Saturday after I looked at it.
he did suggest the alternator swap and I said no way I just figured if it wasn’t to the car maybe I should do it but if it’s still valued regardless, we should just agree on an amount. I guess he’s pretty firm at $27,500 the way it is I don’t think that’s overpaying for the work done maybe a little.
but maybe if it keeps the hood, I can get him down to another thousand off if only 500 I might as well just take it because I could probably get $1000-2000 for it possibly. Or just put it on the car.
as far as the master cylinder goes, it has drum breaks. Is that not an original drum brake master cylinder?

 

yes, that was part of the deal. Deliver the car and the parts he has an enclosed trailer and dually.

 

Good, remember that cost goes down, but things can be added as well to the deal, which does the same thing. I bought a H/O in 2020, and the guy was a real sleeze. Had someone there faking interest to fake competition, and I had to beat him down 20% on price. Car still had a ton of things wrong with it, which are about half fixed now.

 

regardless of what you do I give you credit for the "find"
I don't see a power booster, unusual to have manual brakes?

 

I believe manual drum brakes were the standard equipment on the car unless optioned w/power drum or disc brakes.

Nothing really surprising there.

 

I’ve had about eight of these cars and I’ve never seen manual drums.
I guess all the ones that I’ve had I got lucky I had power disc brakes.
I actually thought it was pretty standard.

 

Hey man, what’s up? Why don’t you just SELL me your 70 ha ha ha ha ha ha.
How’s the car scene over that way?

 

weather has been too cold for the scene to start up. We are not at the beach any longer, a terrible thing happened a couple of years ago that shut it down for good.
Other locations have taken over - usually get 300 plus cars on Sunday mornings oftentimes many more. I think someone counted 800 cars one Sunday last year
lots of respect for your knack for making these finds.
Take care, Rob

 

actually, I remember Dennis, told me what happened the cobra right? Pretty gruesome that’s amazing. Where are 800 cars gathering? Maybe one of these days I’ll have to visit I hate flying. I’ll have to drive down to my Hellcat. Take it easy Rob.

 

If you make the deal, verify the same and correct alternator is still on the car before money changes hands. Since he wants it, nothing stopping him from swapping them before the deal is done.

 

You've been the beneficiary of well optioned models and or "wish list" cars. The kind that blur reality through modification and have us thinking these models were born differently than they actually were. 70Post is correct.



By the way Johnny if you decide to go forward with the purchase and modifying the brakes is on the table, this may help in your decision making process... https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...pinions-71826/

 

You could have had my 70 442 convertible for a lot less $ !

:-)

 

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Thats true, what i am worried about is him going through all the parts he has lol

 

thanks!

 

wow this is nice wish it was a hardtop
https://daytona.craigslist.org/cto/d...838749248.html

 

The ONLY way to receive all the parts is to be onsite, and look at everything, don’t trust, verify.

 

$500 isn't really that much if its the car you want and it's not a rust bucket. I've seen people lose out on once in a lifetime opportunities haggling over a few dollars. Just overing some perspective.

Rodney

 

it’s an interesting car and everything, but I don’t think it’s once in a lifetime opportunity kind of car.
but yeah $500 isnt that much but $500 less is less of a starting point for me.

 

This one is still available real GM hood real spoiler not original engine but a period correct 455 rust free Arizona car also extra dash pad his and hers sport mirrors



also special order color dash dash trim tag 15K or best offer

 

Seems like a lot of value in the work completed and parts included (like the interior) of the other one compared to what this one needs?

 

Indeed. I was given half a raft of **** for my first two A bodies being power window cars while my buddy had 4 all crank. However, the next two I got were crank. I really prefer crank windows. But, AC, power windows, and power brakes and/or disc brakes were not a majority back then. They were common, sure. I think only power steering was a 60s/70s majority had it, option.