Interesting article on changing EV batteries
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Interesting information.
This does not surprise me at all, and folks need to realize that manufacturing a new vehicle is not environmentally friendly.
This does not surprise me at all, and folks need to realize that manufacturing a new vehicle is not environmentally friendly.
“Nissan’s not in the business of keeping these things running forever, they want you to come and buy a new car. That’s their business model and it’s not a secret,” said Sale. “They want to make maintaining the old vehicle so cost prohibitive that you just buy a new one.”
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Not to get all negative on EV’s, but my Norwegian cousin reports that heavy EV usage puts one helluva strain on the national electrical grid. Teslas with worn out batteries are beginning to arrive (or pile up?) in the boneyards there. Watch Norway for the lifecycle of EV cars. If I recall more than 70% of the cars sold there are EV’s.
As he put it, it’s not the first EV on your street that’s the problem, but the 17th person on the street that wants to charge their car (along with everyone else at the same time…) overnight, that’s what overloads the grid.
Ironic as it is for an oil-rich nation, they have more EV’s in use than any other country (per capita). For better or worse they’ll get the lessons from EV’s like the proverbial canary in the coal mine as compared the US. We’ve just got to watch and see what happens to the canary & the coal mine.
Insofar as I’m aware, here in the US, no one in the 40’s-70’s even vaguely contemplated fueling/charging cars when our electrical grid was built. So this car-fueling equivalent demand is new, i.e outside the design specification. Here in NorCal, our PG&E power company has barely (if at all) got a handle on providing safe (wildfire free) power for normal usage. Due to fires they may have (or did) cause, they’re more or less bankrupt. How then, can they support infrastructure improvements to accommodate high amperage demand like tons of new EV’s?
I’m under the impression that CA may now be getting a majority of it’s electricity from renewable sources. I’m not sure if that’s true, but I hope so, because it delivers on the promise of a lower carbon future. Using EV’s in places where they produce electricity from coal is just moving the emissions problem from the tailpipe to the power plant. No virtue there. The bright spot is that EV’s lose less energy to heat, pumping and transmission losses. If I have it right, less energy is being wasted, more is going to the tires. With respect to vehicles, I suspect that’s a good thing.
Eagerly awaiting the next generation to invent killer batteries which allow our cars to go 500 miles on a charge and houses to go 4-5 days off the grid. Also awaiting fusion power and high temperature super-conductivity.
Sorry if I sound like an old guy ranting. Hope to see these advances before I exit.
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As he put it, it’s not the first EV on your street that’s the problem, but the 17th person on the street that wants to charge their car (along with everyone else at the same time…) overnight, that’s what overloads the grid.
Ironic as it is for an oil-rich nation, they have more EV’s in use than any other country (per capita). For better or worse they’ll get the lessons from EV’s like the proverbial canary in the coal mine as compared the US. We’ve just got to watch and see what happens to the canary & the coal mine.
Insofar as I’m aware, here in the US, no one in the 40’s-70’s even vaguely contemplated fueling/charging cars when our electrical grid was built. So this car-fueling equivalent demand is new, i.e outside the design specification. Here in NorCal, our PG&E power company has barely (if at all) got a handle on providing safe (wildfire free) power for normal usage. Due to fires they may have (or did) cause, they’re more or less bankrupt. How then, can they support infrastructure improvements to accommodate high amperage demand like tons of new EV’s?
I’m under the impression that CA may now be getting a majority of it’s electricity from renewable sources. I’m not sure if that’s true, but I hope so, because it delivers on the promise of a lower carbon future. Using EV’s in places where they produce electricity from coal is just moving the emissions problem from the tailpipe to the power plant. No virtue there. The bright spot is that EV’s lose less energy to heat, pumping and transmission losses. If I have it right, less energy is being wasted, more is going to the tires. With respect to vehicles, I suspect that’s a good thing.
Eagerly awaiting the next generation to invent killer batteries which allow our cars to go 500 miles on a charge and houses to go 4-5 days off the grid. Also awaiting fusion power and high temperature super-conductivity.
Sorry if I sound like an old guy ranting. Hope to see these advances before I exit.
Cheers
Chris
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Gotta love it. Maybe I'm stating the obvious (to some of you), but if you're looking for a "better" (cheaper, more efficient, etc.) alternative to internal combustion, EV's ain't it. Unfortunately, most people with 'environmental guilt' who purchase these things won't think twice when a third party comes along to quickly change their battery pack (think degrading cell phone batteries). Where are they all gonna go? There's no magic trash can where they just disappear.
On a much more entertaining topic, anybody have any idea what finally became of Carlos Ghosn?? He may be rotting away in a non-disclosed Japanese prison somewhere - or he may be living the high life on a secluded island. If you don't know what I'm talking about, do a quick Google search. Kind of hard to believe his fall from grace. I lost interest after his 'escape' from Japan a few years ago.
On a much more entertaining topic, anybody have any idea what finally became of Carlos Ghosn?? He may be rotting away in a non-disclosed Japanese prison somewhere - or he may be living the high life on a secluded island. If you don't know what I'm talking about, do a quick Google search. Kind of hard to believe his fall from grace. I lost interest after his 'escape' from Japan a few years ago.
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Gotta love it. Maybe I'm stating the obvious (to some of you), but if you're looking for a "better" (cheaper, more efficient, etc.) alternative to internal combustion, EV's ain't it. Unfortunately, most people with 'environmental guilt' who purchase these things won't think twice when a third party comes along to quickly change their battery pack (think degrading cell phone batteries). Where are they all gonna go? There's no magic trash can where they just disappear.
On a much more entertaining topic, anybody have any idea what finally became of Carlos Ghosn?? He may be rotting away in a non-disclosed Japanese prison somewhere - or he may be living the high life on a secluded island. If you don't know what I'm talking about, do a quick Google search. Kind of hard to believe his fall from grace. I lost interest after his 'escape' from Japan a few years ago.
On a much more entertaining topic, anybody have any idea what finally became of Carlos Ghosn?? He may be rotting away in a non-disclosed Japanese prison somewhere - or he may be living the high life on a secluded island. If you don't know what I'm talking about, do a quick Google search. Kind of hard to believe his fall from grace. I lost interest after his 'escape' from Japan a few years ago.
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Thanks for the interesting article. Probably the batteries and electrical grid overload will continue being problems for a while. I suppose Studebaker was a bit ahead of the time with their electric vehicle. The bigger problem that the Earth will have is the extreme growth of the human population.
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Interesting, here's what it boils down to:
“Nissan’s not in the business of keeping these things running forever, they want you to come and buy a new car. That’s their business model and it’s not a secret,” said Sale. “They want to make maintaining the old vehicle so cost prohibitive that you just buy a new one.”
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“Nissan’s not in the business of keeping these things running forever, they want you to come and buy a new car. That’s their business model and it’s not a secret,” said Sale. “They want to make maintaining the old vehicle so cost prohibitive that you just buy a new one.”
Hence the description of "throw away cars". I have called them that for many years and my wife gets mad every time I say it.
Hence the description of "throw away cars". I have called them that for many years and my wife gets mad every time I say it.
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