Gmcdually

Was wondering if there was such an option as a spring time special for 1967 cutlass . I believe it was triple saffron yellow with high options. If anyone has info on production and what to look for to see if real or not please respond. Thanks for help

rocketraider

It was offered on Cutlass, 88 and Ninety Eight. Not sure about being high optioned as I've seen them bare-boned but you need to look for Saffron Yellow paint code, yellow interior code and yellow convertible top code on converts. Doubt there were any production breakouts on these cars. I've never seen any.

Keep in mind that the yellow interior material was unavailable for many years and a lot had interiors changed because of that. I know of one 442 convert with a black gut and a Delmont 88 convert with tan.

lemoldsnut

I have a 67 Convertible with Saffron yellow exterior, yellow interior and black top all factory. It is sadly a parts car now.


If anyone needs parts get ahold of me at lemoldsnut@aol.com or call west coast time 8 am to 8 pm 541-815-4363

Gmcdually

What would the codes on the cowl tag be for the yellow interior and top be . Should have a copy of tag tonight and will post for help in decoding. Thanks for the responses .

Gmcdually

What kind of shape is the covertible top in . Will be in touch with other needs as I know

67442nut

BOP has been advertising a repro saffron convertible top for $495. including the window.
There's a photo ad at the beginning of the 442.com parts-for-sale forum.
I have an original triple saffron CS convertible that needs a top.
Mine is NOT a high option car, power steering & brakes, bucket seats with console-that's all.

Koda

I was waiting for Ed's response on this. He is the yellow 67 man.

Diego

What indications are there that this may be a vehicle that was part of a spring promotion?

67442nut

Didn't really plan it that way.
Just kinda ended up with them and wanted to keep original colors.
I actually prefer dark colors.
Favorite is black. Can't beat black.

Gmcdually

Here is the info on trim tag
10C
67-33867 Lan1112
978-B Y8
WXS 2ET
4FC 5Y
The car has yellow interior , yellow exterior original on both I believe. Nothing left of Convertible Top but do have the yellow boot for the old top.Will try to post some pictures.Car is currently not running,but is very solid. Any verification with trim tag would be appreciated.

67442nut

Didn't really plan it that way. Just kinda ended up with them.
I actually prefer dark colors.
Favorite is black. Can't beat black.
(Sorry for the hi-jack.)

Gmcdually

Trim tag reads
10 C
67-33867 Lan1112
978- B Y8
WXS 2ET
4FC 5Y

Trying to determine if this car could be a spring time special
Y8 Yellow exterior, but having trouble with other codes. Car has
bucket seats with column shift . Any help would be great.

Allan R

ST-67 - 1967 production model
3 - Oldsmobile
38 - model: Cutlass Supreme with V8
67 - body style: convertible
LAN - Lansing Fisher Body Works
BDY - 1112 Body number assigned by Fisher BW
TR - Trim code: 978>>You sure this is right? Maybe 987 which is Champagne with Bucket seats
PNT - Y8 Lower body Saffron. 8??? Check again - more likely '6' which is Champagne vert top
Time Build - 10C Built at Fisher Body works third week of October 1966, so no, it's not a spring time special.

Option Codes
Column 1
W - Tinted glass - Windshield only - (A02)
X - Power windows - (A31)
S - Power Trunk - (A 91)

Column 2
E - ??? You sure that's not a B or G? I'd be leaning to one of them with a bucket seat car.
T - Power Seat (A46).

Column 4
F - ???
C - Chrome side window sill moldings – (B85)

Column 5
Y - Deluxe front and rear seat belts (A39)

Gmcdually

Thanks for reply the numbers are 978 -B and Y 8 for sure , this is what was Confusing me . Will try to post copy of tag . Interior is yellow and mostly intact .top is not there but has original yellow cover that was supposed to have come with car.

GAOldsman

978 = Yellow interior
Y = Saffron lower body color
8 = Yellow droptop

sammy

A yellow drop top...never heard of one ...I always thought they were whie or black

joe_padavano

Or tan

Or blue

Or sometimes green...

Allan R

Ah, found it at the bottom of my book. 978 for Cutlass convertible. Should have looked under 'Convertible' instead of hardtop...duhhh Yup - 8 = yellow top, 978 = yellow interior. Sounds like mono themed car. Something like this?

Interior



Exterior (yeah, it's hard to find a saffron vert, so this is a hardtop)

sammy

Classy ^^^!

Diego

GMCdually?

Gmcdually

So according to the trim tag this would be the spring time special car? The interior is identical to photo above except column shift.exterior also excerpt convertible top. How rare are these cars ?

rocketraider

Look at your time built code 10C which is 3rd week October 1966. So no, it's not one of the spring sales promotion cars, but it appears to have been ordered as a triple yellow car- which was available the whole production year.

Sometimes they'd do that with RPO combinations.

Allan R

There are no records of how many triple yellow cars were produced so hard to determine your answer. Saffron was a popular color though.

Gmcdually

Other than being a triple yellow car ,what other items are needed to make this a true spring time special . Would you need build sheet or dealer invoice to actually determine? Much thanks to all who have replied . I guess even if I can not determine if for sure this is a promotional car , it should be brought back life

Koda

It requires being made in the spring.

Diego

In your other thread, I posed the question twice:

What makes a spring promotional Olds model?

Nothing in your posts have indicated what a springtime promotional model consisted of. Can you please elaborate?

Gmcdually

I am trying to determine what makes a spring time special , my understanding is that it needs to be triple yellow and that is all . If there is more to this than that is what I am trying to find out . Sorry to Diego did not understand your request . I do not claim to know what makes this car a spring time special ,but am only trying to gain knowledge . While the car in question is and was ordered triple yellow does that in itself make it a special or not

Diego

So, for anyone/everyone, was there some special promotional push in the spring where these yellow cars were pushed?

I'm familiar with some spring specials, like the Dodge White Hat Specials, but come to think of it I've never heard any promotion for Oldsmobile.

67442nut

For what it's worth, here's a pic of the trim tag on my triple saffron '67 CS convertible:

P1010001_1.jpg

67442nut

Here's a pic of the trim tag on a triple saffron '67 CS convertible:

P1010001_1.jpg

From what was discussed in the trim tag decoding thread, the second "8" after the "978"
is the saffron convertible top code.

Allan R

Ed, you know a lot about these cars. Here's a conundrum from another thread ( sorry this IPad isn't easy to use or I'd link you there).

Have you any idea why a 1970 Cutlass produced at Lansing second week of October 1969 would have a body number 205212? That seems ridiculous given the time from startup after retooling for 70 model year. I was under the impression that bodies were numbered sequentially from 000001 each model year at each Fisher plant. Any thoughts or help would be appreciated and enlightening.

Gmcdually

So if I am understanding this correctly ,978 yellow interior , the 8 after 978 means yellow top, thought mine was B but will take a closer look, I notice your tag is y2 and mine is y8 which I understand the y is exterior color , then what does the number after mean. Would you consider your car a promo car or not . Would love to see some pictures.

Koda

I believe they were 100001, but your point still stands.

Allan R

Koda, I know for sure the VINs started 100001 on each plants assembly lines, but the Fisher plants producing the bodies started at 000001, or just 1 each model year AFAIK. Lots of early production cowl tags I've seen with just 2,3, or 4 digits but never one that high for only the first month and a half of production. That's why it's so confusing.

67442nut

Allan, to be quite honest I'm not really that up on production dates and numbers.
I DO have some reference info.
If I added correctly, there were about 275,000 F-85's, Cutlasses and 4-4-2's, including convertibles, built in 1970.
This doesn't include about 35,000 wagons.
I don't know how many of each were built at each plant, but, if the numbers start at 000001,
that means two thirds of the 1970 "A" body production were built by October, '69 and if
the numbering started at 000001 at each plant, then two thirds were built in the same plant.
Doesn't sound right.
That's about all I can contribute.

67442nut

I honestly don't know what all the designations on the tag represent.
I also noticed the "Y2" versus "Y8" designations.
Pretty sure they're just option designations.
Mine is a bucket seat/console car. Could be that versus bench seat maybe.
I don't think the triple saffron cars were any sort of a special production item.
As rocketraider mentioned previously, I remember seeing a triple saffron "88"
convertible years ago.
I think it was just another option package.
I'm ashamed to say my car is still incomplete.
It's been moved to the "back burner" for other projects
multiple times since I started it in 1990.
Below is a link to a photobucket slide show of some of the work I've done so far on the car:
http://s75.photobucket.com/user/67ol...ertible%20Redo

Allan R

Thank you Ed.

I'm not questioning your stats in the slightest. I trust your count, and it saves me having to look all that up anyway!

The way I looked at this was that even if Lansing went into full tilt non stop production (except for the few hours daily required for mtce issues) and ran 2+ shifts every day including weekends to build 205k bodies at Fisher they'd have to be cranking them out at a rate of one every 20 seconds, and not even modern production can match that. And to imagine 205K / 275K built in the first 40 days? That's just mind blowing.....The mystery continues. I honestly think the cowl tag in question was a mistake on the embossing. I thank you again for your insights.

Allan R

This thread needs to be merged with this one so the information isn't duplicated all over the place.

oldcutlass

I merged the 2 threads, however some of it may get out of sequence.