Gary M

These are docs I got with my car but a lot of the entries are just #'s or letters. If anyone can help it would be much appreciated. Thanks

Gary M

Looking for info regardless of good or bad. As long as I don't find out my car is really a Ford Pinto with Cutlass fenders hanging on it.

GAOldsman

1st one is the broadcast card from Fisher Body

2nd is the window sticker

3rd and 4th are broadcast cards as well.

What info are you looking for exactly?

Gary M

For example wheel type, steering wheel, paint strip(this one is important because I want to put back on),exhaust system, air cleaner type. Also does the window sticker look real? If not I don't want to try and represent it as such.

GAOldsman

1st card says

Sequence # 035 Begin build date of Dec. 27 1971

Style - 34267 = Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible

A01 = Soft-Ray Tinted Windows (All including windshield)

Fisher Body # 254769 (should match cowl tag)

Trim 970 = Black in color themed interior

Exterior Paint = 19 B = Ebony Black (Special Order Extra-Cost) Lower Body Color with Black Convertible Top

A51 = Strato Bucket Seats
C60 = A/C
Y60 = Convenience Group (the bottom $16.43 option listed on the window sticker)

GAOldsman

Window sticker looks genuine to me. Give me a sec and I'll try to help with the rest.

Cowl tag should look like this

ST 72 34267LAN254769 BDY

TR 970 19 B PNT

ACC 12 D A51

Gary M

On one of the broadcast sheets under paint strip it says OA. Do you know what that means? P.S. thanks The protectoplate says 10/15/71 and the cowl tag says 10A

GAOldsman

The wheels are SS I, which look like this



Exhaust is full duals due to the big block option without the cutout bumper

The stripe is Y70 side body stripe and is more than likely white, I cannot blow up the 4th image enough to see which code is for the stripe color

Air cleaner type would be standard for the 455

In short this is one rare and special car in my honest opinion

GAOldsman

0A = White stripe

Gary M

Do you think the white stripe is a pin strip along the top of fenders or down near the middle like the W-30>

GAOldsman

I believe it is like the W30 stripe. By the way, only about 3% of total production of A body cars from Oldsmobile in 1972 came with the U code 455

GAOldsman

I am envious of all the documentation you have with it. Did the previous owner tell you where he found all of the broadcast cards?

Gary M

Its numbers matching. I'm pretty happy about it. I like the W-30 stripe. Wish there were somewhere to find out exactly what my stripe looked like. Yours looks great and shares the 3% advantage.

Gary M

No but it all came in a folder along with titles from all previous owners and receipts along the way.

vette442

As a non-w29 Supreme, it had the pinstripes along the tops of the fenders and quarters. It would not have the full side stripes along the middle since that's where your thin stainless side trim is located. The pinstripes in your profile picture are correct for a '72 Supreme. Assuming that's your car, it looks great.
Terry

GAOldsman

Okay I was wrong the Y70 paint stripe is not like the W30 one it is like this

Gary M

That looks like what's on it now and I like the look. It was repainted previously and I wasn't sure if they changed it. Thanks.

GAOldsman

You are welcome brother

Allan R

Gary, that's an outstanding looking CS! Did you buy it from the original owner? As Scot says it's very rare to find all that documentation in it. Would be really cool to also have the original Bill of sale.

Interestingly enough this is the second 1972 Cutlass I've run into as a special order. Just the paint alone makes it that. In 1972 code 19 was not part of ANY GM A body lineup for some strange reason. It had to be special ordered at extra cost. Now we can see the cost of that on your window sticker!

When you look at the cowl tag, I'm thinking it will have 2 series of digits on the 3rd line like you see in this (ebony black 72 Cutlass S) one that belongs to a guy I know.
cowltag_zps56e471f7.jpg

Gary M

Thanks. It says 19 B The B is because it's a convertible with a black top. Bought it from 6th owner.

GAOldsman

Allan I believe the code 19 Ebony paint was available for the B, C & E body styles in '72 just not the intermediates.

Allan R

Yes, that's correct Scot. That's why I said not available in any of the GM A body lineup for 72.

Allan R

Yes, I understand the PNT reference. I was just showing an example of the codes on a Cutlass S (sports). Does your cowl tag have any of the other number sequences similar to what's on the tag I posted? If it does, those are references to the original build sheet for the car.

Gary M

Mine does not have the 2) 6 digit numbers at the bottom like your example but does have the A51 and A01

GAOldsman

Ah I see Allan, I missed the A body reference. LOL Oops

Gary if you go to http://gmheritagecenter.com/gm-herit...tion-kits.html and click on Oldsmobile and download the 1972 information packet, you will be able to decode the other broadcast card(s) as per the codes such as springs, shocks and the like

Gary M

Allan R . I found an invoice if that can be considered a bill of sale. Its dated the same day as the protect-o-plate, the price and serial # matches too. Has the original owners name as buyer.

GAOldsman

Documentation is like paper gold with these cars of this era, as we have no resources like Pontiac does, Canadian destined exports or Canadian built Oldsmobiles.

Allan R

Does the BOS have the dealer listed on it also? Love to see the pic of it too! Chances are the invoice you have is dated the same as the POP because the dealers had the embossing machines at their dealerships and popped in a blank as needed for delivery.

There was a guy selling blank POP's on eBay a number of years ago. Only thing that made them 'look' like repops was the lack of the little black rocket emblem on the right side of the card.

I agree with Scot. I'd have all these docs carefully framed and protected so they can be displayed with the car. Even though a previous owner added some features, the window sticker and VIN still represent the car as it was built. You have a real winner, and IMO an absolute head turner!

Gary M

here is what I got. My protect-O-Plate has that emblem also.

GAOldsman

And that further coincides with the window sticker as to the price and VIN. Wonder what the Authorized discount was for. Maybe a trade in of sorts?? The date on the P-O-P is the actual delivery date. It should have the dealer's zone code and dealership number, date of delivery, VIN and actual miles on the car when delivered. In that order, reading left to right and top to bottom. My car has 00003 (miles) on the P-O-P

GAOldsman

It seems strange that they would list the 350 as one of the standard items the car came with on the window sticker when it already shows the 455 as the 1st option. I have the dealer's copy of the window sticker for mine and it doesn't list the "standard options" only the ones that wasn't "standard" or included.

Gary M

In that heritage website I saw that the 350 was the base engine for my car. Not sure why it is on my window sticker and not yours. I know these window stickers can be bought blank because I bought one to see what it looks like. I believe mine is real. Also the one I bought online is smaller and says along the side its a reproduction.

GAOldsman

I think mine may have left that off because there are 36 "charges" on there and there isn't much room to list the "standard" already included options. From my understanding there was supposed to be around four copies of the window sticker. Customer copy, dealer copy, shipping copy and factory copy. If I am not mistaken and someone correct me if I am wrong.

Gary M

Wish there were a way to get their copies, probably trashed long ago.

Gary M

Allan R...Just looked at your build pics. Beautiful car and very well restored. I been thinking about taking my tank down to freshen up the rear under side. As soon as I get my carb back from a rebuild guy in CO. and test it, I think I will. Your pics and tips you gave will help with that. Thanks.

GAOldsman

Yes Allan has done one fine job on his beauty

You may get lucky and the dealership still be open and may by some chance have records that go back 40+ years My original dealership still peddles Chevy's

As far as documentation you have three items (Holy Grail) that weren't supposed to stay with the car and all the items that people didn't really think to keep with the car all of these years. The only things I see that you might could put with what you have is the warranty booklet, owners manual, 1972 Oldsmobile consumer info booklet, the 1972 Oldsmobile emission control systems booklet, P-O-P vinyl pocket envelope, the 1972 guardian maintenance service schedule card, original hood and maybe the maintenance records.

Gary M

Got' em all. Cant believe it myself but somehow along the way the past owners were all car guys and gals. They passed along parts, rebuild and some repair receipts as well as copies of titles. The original hood is even with it. unfortunately the 2.73 gears are gone as well as the original intake.

GAOldsman

More awesome news I wonder if they put the W30 intake on it? Which gears are in it now?

Gary M

I put the repop intake on because there was an Eldebrock Q4 machined to fit a Quadrajet on it. The gears are supposed to be 3.23. The car had a fiberglass hood but I got a Thornton steel frame W-30 hood for it now.

Allan R

Wow! I only wish I could afford a Thornton hood. I did the research and by the time it would get here across the border, fitted and painted I'd be looking north of 4500.00 and it wouldn't really increase the value of my car by a lot. Interesting in 1972 the W25 hood option on non W-30 cars was only 154.00 and that included special paint and all the underhood goodies.

I now have 3.42:1 posi in mine. It WAS a 2.73 Axle tube stampings were SA O 101 which coincides perfectly to the build date of my car.
SA- 2.73
O - Olds axle
101 - 101 day of manufacture using the Ordinal Calendar for 1972 (72 is a leap year so April 10 changes from day 100 to 101). My car rolled off Lansing Assembly on April 10, 1972. That's been authenticated by George Zapora from the GM Heritage Center. I have a lot of the original docs that came with the car too, but sadly no POP, window sticker/BOS as the car was originally headed to a leasing company in ONT, Canada. Sold through Golden Mile Chevrolet Oldsmobile.

I would have preferred the 3.23:1 gears but that's a long story.