Had this ready to post in a PM.

Then decided to post it here, instead.

Explain what you mean by "go to hell".

Then, explain your opposition to the same procedures that have been commonly used since before Algore invented the internet.

Then, explain how a debate/discussion/conversation, is bad but 10 people posting 11 different erroneous opinions, is good.

There is no reason for you to shout.

That is the way it should be. Problem is, some posters do not have a clue, and many are just repeating what they have heard, or read, on the internet.

There are times when theory is needed for accurate communication. When it is, it is normally identified as such.

Your choice.

Explain why.

Do you think any common practice, regardless of its age, value, or purpose, should be halted, simply because you express a dislike for it?

I am not an engine builder, I have never “built” an engine, and I leave “build” discussions to qualified engine builders.

I have, however, screwed a couple of rebuilds together.

Funny you should bring that up.

Have you?

If you had, I would think you would have given us the benefit of your experience.

If you had not, I would think you would want to learn from the discussion, instead of hijacking the thread to “badmouth” the participants.

To answer your question. I do not know how many, but from reading it, my guess is: closer to one, than to one hundred.

No one is trying to discredit anyone. There were some attempts at censorship, a while back, but that BS seems to be in the past.

Speaking of “censorship” how does the word not apply to your comments about a members method of communication?

Name one. Then tell us why you think it is a "theory".

Can you name anyone, here, who does not have “actual hands-on knowledge"?

Do you think, hijacking a thread, to post your own petty complaints about other members, does not fit that description perfectly?

As do I.

Difference is, I enjoy “picking the brains” of those who actually know what they are talking about. It is how I learned what little I do know.

Or is that, what I seem to think I know?

Norm

 

Norm, I think I speak for many when I say it isn't the message, it is the manner in which it is delivered. Your extensive knowledge of Oldsmobiles is admired by a lot of guys, myself included. But, you consistently go out of your way to be rude and insulting in your posts. Maybe it is not intentional (I personally think that it is, but I could be mistaken), but it comes off that way to many members. Certainly when you see a factual error, you are correct in bringing that to everyone's attention, but there are different ways of doing it. And, in the hot-rod world, there are many positions that are indeed opinion and not fact. Different ways to scramble an egg. Just because someone disagrees with your opinion, does not necessarily make them wrong. IMO, you seem a tad intolerant of anyone who disagrees with you. Yes, we all think that we are right and that our way is the best way, that is human nature. It is a fact that your posting style keeps activity and membership down here at CO, which is too bad. I have not seen a single "argument" here that did not involve you. So, you can continue on as you do, which is of course your inalienable right, or you can ease up a bit, share your wealth of knowledge, experience, and information with others in a fun and friendly atmosphere, and I bet'cha this site will grow by leaps and bounds.

 

Jeez Norm, you're really bringing me down...see a therapist or something.

Praise in public, punish in private.

 

Any evidence to back that up?

Norm

 

If you don't like it, don't read it.

Norm,

 

cant we all just get along....}:

 

WTF does that have to do with this topic?

Norm

 

Should we say? "Norm is not the norm."
Their are several topics, tips and ideas I wish were on this website, but they are not. So, I try to add when I can just by asking questions and responding to someones else's question that I experienced first hand. Not many websites with such a group of people willing and able to help with advice on Olds specific topics.

 

Actually, I do, but unfortunately they are in the form of PMs, and I am not going to share what is meant to be a private communication with the general public. Just for grins, let's look at the "shimming" thread that spawned this one. this exchange took place,

Originally Posted by Gary Lagacy
........ I have herd of people installing a shim ( washer ) under the rocker arm pedestal ........
Not someone you should be listening to.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Olds64
........ Shimming rocker arm pedastals is part of setting valve lash on an Oldsmobile engine ........

Also, not someone you should be listening to.

By design, the rocker assembly is not adjustable, as the proper (0.0") lash is automatically maintained by the hydraulic lifter.

I agree with your points. But, you could just as easily have stated it this way;
"While you CAN adjust lifter preload in that manner, IMO it is not the correct way to do so. I much prefer getting the proper length push rods. In most cases, changes in the cam, head gasket, and mill work will dictate this need to maintain proper geometry"

Do you see the difference? In your reply, you come off as an arrogant know-it-all, in the second, an experienced guy helping another fella out. IMO.

Then there is this,
https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...gine-swap.html
I have no idea of your intention in this case, but it looks like you are busting *****. The examples could go on endlessly.

Your decision to post in your manner is your right and choice, that decision (and the decision of the mods to allow you to do so) curtails the activity and participation at this site. You can choose to dismiss that if you like, also your right. But I have absolutely no doubt of it's accuracy.

 

Being on a number of forums and having experienced all types of folks and I will only say this....One is supposed to be able to learn on this forum and meet folks through conversation and by his/her profile. This is in the good spirit of forum community. When there are problems with an individual what is usually seen is no profile info....combative commentary with members....unhelpful remarks....that usually defines a sniper. On other forums you get the boot. The reason is that the intent by the sniper is not fellowship, but to pontificate, attempt to come across as totally knowledgeable at the expense of other members many who are on the forum for Olds fellowship and fun and they may not have extensive automotive experience. Being snipered does not equate to a positive experience. A moderator should set this straight.

Norm, I am a new member here. I have seen your sometimes senseless and snide comments to many folks who may not have the knowledge you posess. I personally did not appreciate your manner and comments on the post that I submitted explaining the general (not precise) differences between the Northstar engine family. (pm me and we can discuss credentials....)
The demeanor of your comments seem to turn folks off in this forum and discourage conversation. We all see things differently and that is the beauty of the forum. A less condescending approach would get you more credibility and really help those who just don't know, are misinformed or just looking for help.

I would hope that we can all get along here as most of us love Oldsmobiling and working on our rides.

Fred

 

And I thought PM meant Private Message, not Public Message. Why would anybody put a Private message for everybody else on this board to see? You could of posted what he genarally said without quotes or using his name

 

I have Norm on my ignore list but tonight I went to this site without logging in and had the misfortune of seeing a long posting of Norm's crap. In my opinion, he should be banned. I think he does more harm than good.

Joe P. knows more than Norm ever will. Joe P. has a posting style that is very matter of factly without all the sarcasm that Norm seems to think is necessary. He just gets to the point which I like. I have witnessed people come on this board and then quit posting after they get a Norm bomb. I think his comment about TexasCarNut as part of his signature gives a good indication of what he is all about. He takes great pride in pissing people off. That is not what this board is about. This is just my opinion but apparently I am not the only one who feels this way.

 

Norm,

It appears that your issues seem to be with 70Cutty on a lot of "personal" issues and literary witticisms. You're obviously well read and have a sense of humor. But I think your original idea to keep it a PM was the right one.

For what it's worth, I read your PM stuff and found it somewhat amusing, but it does appear to be singling 70cutty out at length to make your point.

 

[QUOTE=redoldsman;43655] I think his comment about TexasCarNut as part of his signature gives a good indication of what he is all about. QUOTE]


Wrong!!! I think its a funny signature Norm has - you just actually have to read the thread that Norm takes the quote out of. It was so funny that I thought I needed an underwear change.

 

well reading all that. Made you seem very mean.+ trying to spread world peace...An you don't have to be so mean to people!.

 

So, you have nothing but an opinion.

When you have some hard numbers, post them.

Norm

 

They were simple, and to the point.

Here they are, again:

Are you reading something, into this exchange, that I did not write?

Norm

 

And thus why I don't come to this site all that often. I look forward to making new friends, and learning something new. However having someone on each thread put down or belittle another's opinions is very irritating. M'Lisa

 

Read my opening post, again:

It is my reply to this one, before he edited it.

It was originally intended, as a "private" response to his "public" attack but, because it was a "hijack" on a public thread, I moved it here.

Norm

 

norm you need to relax..................

 

Yes, it does. It also appears, that he singled someone (presumably me) out, as shown, in my thread starter.

Did I read something that was not there? Or is a "double standard" being applied?

Norm

 

No need to.

Forget what you think my intentions are. Forget what you think my temperament/mood is. Forget what you think I was trying to say. Forget who you think I am trying to insult.

Just read the sig, as posted. I think it is right up there with the best of the Joe Biden collection.

Norm

 

Pick one of my statements that you object to, quote it, then tell us why you think it makes me sound "mean".

Norm

 

On each thread?

I'll let this one speak for itself.

Norm

 

You need to stop reading what I did not write.

Norm

 

The posts in this thread pretty much sum things up. Seems other members find you rude and insulting and believe that you run guys off, using your extensive knowledge in a bullying manner rather than in a spirit of fun and helpfulness. We could take a poll, except the guys who would be responding are gone from here. Too bad. You titled this thread "Censorship" but that is not the issue, at all. It is simply a matter of being civil and reasonably polite, something you just can't bring yourself to be. You flourish here because it is tolerated, if not encouraged (which baffles the heck out of me) by the moderators where on other sites it was not.

 

Two words. Ignore list. This option has kept me on the site, otherwise I would not visit.

 

We could take a poll, but most of the people who would vote Norm "off the island" might not see it because they have him on their "IGNORE" list.

I think Norm is a lawyer who has been disbarred, and he just can't argue enough to satisfy his self-rightous self-image.

I am just gald I am not his wife...OMG, can you imagine that?

Seriously, this is a moderators issue; they should warn him to be more civil or kick him off the island...the website belongs to them, not Norm. If they don't wan't him on here they can warn him to tone it down or get rid of him. This ain't free speech...it's a private enterprise, and they can censor him if they want to. It is their right as moderators and owners of this buisness.
The rest of us can either ignore or tolerate him. Frankly, I don't see any worth in his posts.

 

funny!

 

It's really a catch 22 here.

Where I think you have great Oldsmobile Knowledge and point a lot of people in the right direction, you really do it in a nasty way.

As an Adim on another Oldsmobile board, I would have issued a few warnings your way.

Plus for bringing a PM out in public like that, would have been a suspension for a few weeks, but I'm not a Mod or Adim here

 

I don't own this site, nor did I build it, and I barely maintain it. I thought my responsibility would only include banning spammers and never dreamed this would happen (although in retrospect knowing human nature I should not be surprised). I try to maintain a nuetral approach to this knowing that some won't get along with everyone else. Besides, If I were to ban Norm who's to say he wouldn't show back up next week as Fred, or N-man, or whatever other username he chose. So what is the litmus test for un-popularity? 50% of membership don't like a person? 34%? 29%? 19%?, only 3%? I don't know, there are no rules or guidelines for this. If you don't think I am doing what is best for the site then go above my head. The last username the original owner of this site used was cars2007 (that I know of), contact them. And if any of you can so easily say "If I were him I would ban Norm in a heatbeat" be careful because the next time a similar situation arises the choice may not be so easy as it seems to you now in this situation. This site isn't a democracy, true. It isn't a popularity contest either. One last thing, one person cannot ague with himself. And Norm, you do **** a lot of people off, I really don't think you realize it.

 

Personally I like Norm He has always been very helpful with the questions I have asked. Maybe some of you need to grow some thicker skin.

 

I like this site in general because it is high on information and low on the "viper pit" mentality that defines some other forums. This thread is an example of the latter...thus I wish that I hadn't come across it, and I look forward to its disappearing soon. I usually skip right over posts by the originator of this thread, but forgot to this evening. I shall be more vigilant in the future. Not that I see any displayed in this thread, but there is plenty of Olds knowledge out there that comes without a certain kind of "frills" or a requirement on the part of the receiver to genuflect.

 

I agree with Bosco! Norm might be a little grumpy, but as far as I'm concerned, the info he provides is solid. Be tolerant of other people's ways. They might be able to teach you something!

-Justin

 

I wish you hadn't come across it either. Mom always told me if you didn't have something good to say....................

 

Agreed.

I look at it like a job. Oldsmobiles are what I do. It's something I have to do... just another part of life that both sucks and is rewarding.
I'm sure a lot of you work side by side successfully with people you dislike everyday.

I try to encourage Olds guys and keep them in the hobby, and help when I can.
However, I don't want a lot full of sissys at every Olds meet.
Go work on your cars.
When you run into a problem, pick someone's brain about it.

Norm generally only scares off people that don't know the box end from the open end anyway.

I'm aware that it sucks being ignorant on any subject, and you sometimes feel foolish asking a question and pointing out your ignorance to everyone.

You just gotta take your lumps and learn... even if you think the teacher is an ***.

 

It never has been.

If you had stopped to read the opening post, you would have known that it dealt with the hijack of a thread, in order to launch a personal attack against another member.

Isn't it ironic, that you, in post #2, did exactly that?

Norm

 

From post #19, above:

There was no PM to "bring out".

Norm

 

I'm well aware of it.

I'm also aware of those members, who appreciate my simple, direct, and (mostly) accurate, posts. They are part of that larger group, who actually read (and understand) a post, before they reply to it.

In addition, I am aware that, nothing seems to be said, about the "vendetta" that captjim started, and continues to keep alive, that is responsible for most of this BS.

Norm

 

Just do this if you don't like what Norm has to say.