any ideas
#2
2) If it's real (with D heads) you should sell it to me to put in my 69 H/O
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3) Whether or not you should swap kinda depends on what year you have and what's in it now.
#3
72 442 350.the guy tells me its a 69 ho 455.i took pics of it because im getting old .i though it had e or c heads not sure .the guy bob anderson has a warehouse of all olds.he has every part you can think of.hes in tampa fl 813-267-5107.trying to find the pics think they were on my windows phone but crashed when me and the wife were in the bahamas.
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Just an Olds Guy
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Wondering if I'm reading this right. Do you mean a motor that came from a 69 Hurst Olds, or are you referring to one of the High Compression 455s that was available in 69? Lots of times I see folks state h/o to mean 'High Output' without realizing the Hurst implication.
#6
he told me hurst olds.he has a warehouse full over 200/250 cars all olds.i gave him a 500 dollar deposit. it had the factory chrome valve covers on it .i hope its a real one.he seems real honest.his names bob anderson.
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Just an Olds Guy
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Agreed. If the seller knew it was a real HO 455 though I'm wondering how much the ticket price is for this thing? Is the motor complete or is it just the block?
#12
Let's back up. Bob Anderson (and his cars) has been around forever. You'll get a very wide range of opinions of him from folks who have dealt with him. The intake is unique to the 69 H/O. It's not worth 10K but it IS worth a significant fraction of that. Bob knows this, so don't expect to steal it if it's real. D heads were only used on 68-69 W-30s and H/Os. Again, worth about $4K and up a pair. Bob also knows this. If this is a real, correct 69 H/O motor, it's worth about $6K in parts alone. If you're paying less than this, it's not real.
#14
Let's back up. Bob Anderson (and his cars) has been around forever. You'll get a very wide range of opinions of him from folks who have dealt with him. The intake is unique to the 69 H/O. It's not worth 10K but it IS worth a significant fraction of that. Bob knows this, so don't expect to steal it if it's real. D heads were only used on 68-69 W-30s and H/Os. Again, worth about $4K and up a pair. Bob also knows this. If this is a real, correct 69 H/O motor, it's worth about $6K in parts alone. If you're paying less than this, it's not real.
#16
In any case, quibbling over a couple of thousand bucks is irrelevant here. If this is a real, complete 69 H/O motor, it will be priced accordingly and you'll know it without even looking at it.
#17
While there were many more D heads produced than 405233 intakes, there's also a much larger market for the heads. Value requires both rarity and demand. The intake is only of interest to people restoring a 69 H/O.
In any case, quibbling over a couple of thousand bucks is irrelevant here. If this is a real, complete 69 H/O motor, it will be priced accordingly and you'll know it without even looking at it.
In any case, quibbling over a couple of thousand bucks is irrelevant here. If this is a real, complete 69 H/O motor, it will be priced accordingly and you'll know it without even looking at it.
#18
If you have the motivation, time and the money, go for it. Just keep all the old parts with the original motor if you plan on selling the car.
Do you have another toy to drive while your 442 is getting a heart transplant?
Do you have another toy to drive while your 442 is getting a heart transplant?
#19
Yah I have a hemi pick up .to drive and he selling it to me for a thousand .so it can't be real it's complete.carb still on it .im going to take another look and pics.ill post the engine number.if its real or not I wanted it for the hp.
#21
#23
Sounds like you got a killer deal
Plied him with liquor?
Worst case, even a plain old '69 455 in good shape is worth about $1k
Best case, it has all the rare pcs mentioned above.
And, if it's not a Hurst/Olds engine, but you were told it was, then you get your deposit back and the deal's off if you so desire, right?
Here's the replica intake I make. Evidently there is some good demand outside of real H/O's for several have been made.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/150772154268...84.m1555.l2649
Plied him with liquor?
Worst case, even a plain old '69 455 in good shape is worth about $1k
Best case, it has all the rare pcs mentioned above.
And, if it's not a Hurst/Olds engine, but you were told it was, then you get your deposit back and the deal's off if you so desire, right?
Here's the replica intake I make. Evidently there is some good demand outside of real H/O's for several have been made.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/150772154268...84.m1555.l2649
#27
If you've ever seen Chris' ads, he specifically states that they are not original, and that he does his own changes, so I see no misrepresentation at all. BTW, can you take the block #s and see if it matches any known H/Os in the registry?
#28
no, the block # has nothing to with the manifold casting... you put some thought into what the ramifications are by changing numbers and codes on one part to make it look like another... your obviously trying to fool someone!
#30
And this is different from building a 442 clone how, exactly? Chris indelibly marks his "clone" parts to prove they are not original.
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#32
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#34
Chris makes a decent repro. The interesting thing though, is that if you've seen an actual H/O intake, the PCV tube cast iron base is mounded a bit different than a straight up tube shape. I'll try and post a pic later. If you knew what to look for, you could spot that right away. And you could see this with the air cleaner on, but not the part number. So I'm wondering why bother with the p/n change since it's not as visible. But I guess it completes the illusion. After all, the performance end of it would be exactly the same.
Edit- this isn't to knock Chris' intake mod, because if you need one and don't have one, it's a far cheaper alternative than spending a lot of time and $$ trying to locate.
Edit- this isn't to knock Chris' intake mod, because if you need one and don't have one, it's a far cheaper alternative than spending a lot of time and $$ trying to locate.
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#35
Chris makes a decent repro. The interesting thing though, is that if you've seen an actual H/O intake, the PCV tube cast iron base is mounded a bit different than a straight up tube shape. I'll try and post a pic later. If you knew what to look for, you could spot that right away. And you could see this with the air cleaner on, but not the part number. So I'm wondering why bother with the p/n change since it's not as visible. But I guess it completes the illusion. After all, the performance end of it would be exactly the same.
Edit- this isn't to knock Chris' intake mod, because if you need one and don't have one, it's a far cheaper alternative than spending a lot of time and $$ trying to locate.
Edit- this isn't to knock Chris' intake mod, because if you need one and don't have one, it's a far cheaper alternative than spending a lot of time and $$ trying to locate.
#36
"every 442 running around with F heads forged to perfection "
*blush*
you flatter me, sir
My handiwork is not that good... will pass cursory inspection by a Ford person or non-car passer-by at a local car show, but not anyone familiar with the parts.
So, as I understand it, then, it is only the ALTERING of casting ID's that chaps your hide? So, the new Thornton reproduction exhaust manifolds are OK, because they are all-new castings? [That would be tough to make a Z into a W exhaust manifold.]
Me wonders what then you would think of the 1965 tricarb intake as seen on the interwebs, the 1967 tricarb factory "H" casting intake that Dr. Oldmobile has, or the super rare last time seen never "X" and "W" xst manifolds I am selling this week, with NO FACTORY LETTER CODE AT ALL, though the 389268, wheel, D1, date code, etc. stuff is all present and precisely like any other factory casting. Brand new, and NOT modified by me or any other person. Just a factory oddity. Lansing has weird stuff tucked away, even to this day. But, I digress...
Is an all-new casting OK with you, or only factory parts made Way Back When should "be allowed"?
*blush*
you flatter me, sir
My handiwork is not that good... will pass cursory inspection by a Ford person or non-car passer-by at a local car show, but not anyone familiar with the parts.
So, as I understand it, then, it is only the ALTERING of casting ID's that chaps your hide? So, the new Thornton reproduction exhaust manifolds are OK, because they are all-new castings? [That would be tough to make a Z into a W exhaust manifold.]
Me wonders what then you would think of the 1965 tricarb intake as seen on the interwebs, the 1967 tricarb factory "H" casting intake that Dr. Oldmobile has, or the super rare last time seen never "X" and "W" xst manifolds I am selling this week, with NO FACTORY LETTER CODE AT ALL, though the 389268, wheel, D1, date code, etc. stuff is all present and precisely like any other factory casting. Brand new, and NOT modified by me or any other person. Just a factory oddity. Lansing has weird stuff tucked away, even to this day. But, I digress...
Is an all-new casting OK with you, or only factory parts made Way Back When should "be allowed"?
#37
"every 442 running around with F heads forged to perfection "
*blush*
you flatter me, sir
My handiwork is not that good... will pass cursory inspection by a Ford person or non-car passer-by at a local car show, but not anyone familiar with the parts.
So, as I understand it, then, it is only the ALTERING of casting ID's that chaps your hide? So, the new Thornton reproduction exhaust manifolds are OK, because they are all-new castings? [That would be tough to make a Z into a W exhaust manifold.]
Me wonders what then you would think of the 1965 tricarb intake as seen on the interwebs, the 1967 tricarb factory "H" casting intake that Dr. Oldmobile has, or the super rare last time seen never "X" and "W" xst manifolds I am selling this week, with NO FACTORY LETTER CODE AT ALL, though the 389268, wheel, D1, date code, etc. stuff is all present and precisely like any other factory casting. Brand new, and NOT modified by me or any other person. Just a factory oddity. Lansing has weird stuff tucked away, even to this day. But, I digress...
Is an all-new casting OK with you, or only factory parts made Way Back When should "be allowed"?
*blush*
you flatter me, sir
My handiwork is not that good... will pass cursory inspection by a Ford person or non-car passer-by at a local car show, but not anyone familiar with the parts.
So, as I understand it, then, it is only the ALTERING of casting ID's that chaps your hide? So, the new Thornton reproduction exhaust manifolds are OK, because they are all-new castings? [That would be tough to make a Z into a W exhaust manifold.]
Me wonders what then you would think of the 1965 tricarb intake as seen on the interwebs, the 1967 tricarb factory "H" casting intake that Dr. Oldmobile has, or the super rare last time seen never "X" and "W" xst manifolds I am selling this week, with NO FACTORY LETTER CODE AT ALL, though the 389268, wheel, D1, date code, etc. stuff is all present and precisely like any other factory casting. Brand new, and NOT modified by me or any other person. Just a factory oddity. Lansing has weird stuff tucked away, even to this day. But, I digress...
Is an all-new casting OK with you, or only factory parts made Way Back When should "be allowed"?
#38
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Why? What if they're not. Frankly, why would I buy a repro part if it didn't LOOK correct? Yes, the experienced eye can tell that the repro 70 W-30 intakes on the market today are not quite perfect, but I'll bet that with a little work, they can be made pretty darn close. Is that a problem for you?
The first batch of repro red inner fenderwells were crap and obviously incorrect. The latest ones, however, look good. What's your position on this? If someone uses these parts to build a fake W-30, should sale of the parts be banned?
I keep coming back to where do you draw the line?
#39
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Why? What if they're not. Frankly, why would I buy a repro part if it didn't LOOK correct? Yes, the experienced eye can tell that the repro 70 W-30 intakes on the market today are not quite perfect, but I'll bet that with a little work, they can be made pretty darn close. Is that a problem for you?
The first batch of repro red inner fenderwells were crap and obviously incorrect. The latest ones, however, look good. What's your position on this? If someone uses these parts to build a fake W-30, should sale of the parts be banned?
I keep coming back to where do you draw the line?
#40
Just an Olds Guy
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I have reproduced parts on my car. Some are so hard to tell from OEM it's not funny. But that's a good thing. I don't see anything wrong with them being there even though some features are technically not correct. IMO I'd draw the line at calling a car restored with repro parts 'all original'. Anyone who claims a "highly detailed and period correct restoration' may be close to the line, but as long as they don't claim everything is OEM I'm good with that. There just aren't that many OEM NOS parts available or affordable compared to 30 years ago. Ha, 30 years ago they wouldn't be NOS, just OEM.
FWIW, I was impressed that Octania went the distance to produce the intakes that he did. That takes a lot of work and commitment. Plus, he's not claiming them to be NOS, nor OEM. But he is filling a void that hobbyists are looking to fill in this market.
FWIW, I was impressed that Octania went the distance to produce the intakes that he did. That takes a lot of work and commitment. Plus, he's not claiming them to be NOS, nor OEM. But he is filling a void that hobbyists are looking to fill in this market.