If I’m dropping 150K on a 72 442, perhaps some documentation it left the factory as a 442 would be appropriate - and at least the original radio, and “cutlass supreme” on the convertible dashboard. And an X in the VIN. And documentation of low mileage.

Great looking car, but am I missing something?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/264745397414

 

Me thinks you are being way too kind.........

And maybe pics of the engine compartment and undercarriage............???

 

theres a K in the VIN That was for a 350 ci, no hood latch, it should be a black rear view mirror, from Just a quick look, Tim

 

Yeah, it's stupid money, but FYI, the first thing any of us did as soon as we got a 1972 442 was to run to the dealership and buy a 1971 glovebox emblem. I certainly did that with my 72 442 in the early 70s. I also swapped the straight bumper for a notched one - which was easy to find in wrecking yards and cheap.

 

Photograph number 38 displays the engine, although difficult to see. The seller provides no description. Is the car a W30 or W30 stripes. No way the car will sell for $150,000.00.

 

It looks and sounds like that doofus from Billions and Trillions. Who now also goes by GTOGuru (same phone number and web site) on ebay. He's got some ridiculously priced pieces of '64-'69 consoles (and a couple whole ones, maybe, I'll admit) listed that look really good in the pics. Then below, in the description, he sneaks in "the one in the picture is not the one you will receive. You will receive one that is better...." yada yada yada...


I guess I'm saying that it feels to me like the ad for this '72 is very similar to the look and feel of B&T's marketing.

Buyer Beware!

 

With the VIN I saw in the disclosure
Another victim of changes car

It would be nice if the proof was a w29 broadcast card
Possibly then the cellar woulda chance that it started as 442

 

Notwithstanding the documentation and other observations, I'd expect the car to be damned near perfect at that price...not presented with chrome seat trim hanging in mid air and signs of dirt/wear on interior components.

 

Some poor sucker will buy it at 75K, and think they stole the car.

 

The ad makes no claims that the car is a W-30. Every 70-72 today has a repro hood and wide side stripes. The VIN is in the ad. If a buyer is too stupid to figure out what he's looking at, or to get a professional appraisal before spending stupid money, he deserves to get taken. The seller can ask whatever insane price he wants.

 

Ok Joe, I am respectfully requesting that all the contributors on this thread calm down and don't shoot the messenger (me)
1. I spoke with the seller. The car sold at Mecum in 2013 as a "true W30." The car is black with a black convertible top.
2. No trim tag photograph has been provided so there is no way to determine whether or not the car was born in the colors described.
3. Experts can not prove that the car is NOT a real W30 other than saying a real W30 has an " X" in the vin. (The seller is shifting the burden to prove the car is Not a W30).
4. The engine is a 455 4bbl and has dual exhaust that all W30's were equipped with.
5. The car has a cutout rear bumper and dual exhaust.
6. The car has a Hurst shifter.
7. The dash emblem "442" was updated from "Cutlass Supreme", BUT ONLY on the "442" convertible.

The above information proves the car is a black, factory air, automatic, 1972 442 W30 convertible and is worth $150,000.00.
The above information is now to be used to authenticate 1972 442 W30's, specifically convertibles.
A copy of this information should be sent to Steven Minore so that he can update W30 authentication.

You need to stop being cynical. Lol.

 

That may be the funniest thing I've read today.

 

The burden of proof is not on the buyer. The burden of proof is on the seller to get that kind of money, unless they find another fool to buy it.

 

I'm only relaying the information from the seller. I feel fortunate to learn that in the model year 1972, the "Cutlass Supreme" emblem was replaced with "442" , but ONLY in a convertible. (Something Joe never disclosed to membership).
As I had written in my original post, since revised, Steven Minore should be copied so Steven can update his W30 authentication criteria.

 

This same seller might as well tell us he is in possession of the Holy Grail, and the Ark of the Covenant. And he knows where the fountain of youth is, as well as Malaysian Air 370.

However, he just has no proof.

 

The seller doesn't need proof. You need to prove the car is not a W30 442.
The "Cutlass Supreme" emblem on the glove box door even displays "442" on convertibles only........
Bet you never knew!

 

Again, he doesn't have to prove anything. Look at the side stripes and the "442" badges. Directly under the "442" badge there is an additional badge "W30."
The car has to be a "W30."

 

Shouldn't the console be same color as interior?

 

Not on the convertible...

 

And at 150k, shouldn’t there be a spare tire and jack assembly in the trunk?

And maybe even a second car, a documented low mile 72 W-30 442 convertible - with an X in the VIN 🤣

 

just buy it and feel good about it. Lol you dont have to prove anything until after you buy a under documented car And enter it in in a show and get served that you were ripped off. No worries here, put your money where your mouth is.

 

Surely all any potential buyer has to verify is whether he is willing to part with $150.000 for it. Any sane person considering that kind of purchase would go to some lengths to verify exactly what he/she is buying.

Roger.

 

Agreed - smart buyer would ask for proof. Seller really doesn't have to prove anything. If seller isn't providing any proof the smart buyer should negotiate with that in mind or walk away. Car is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.