Ambitious seller on eBay 🤔
#1
Ambitious seller on eBay 🤔
If I’m dropping 150K on a 72 442, perhaps some documentation it left the factory as a 442 would be appropriate - and at least the original radio, and “cutlass supreme” on the convertible dashboard. And an X in the VIN. And documentation of low mileage.
Great looking car, but am I missing something?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/264745397414
Great looking car, but am I missing something?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/264745397414
Last edited by vCode442; May 28th, 2020 at 03:06 PM.
#4
Yeah, it's stupid money, but FYI, the first thing any of us did as soon as we got a 1972 442 was to run to the dealership and buy a 1971 glovebox emblem. I certainly did that with my 72 442 in the early 70s. I also swapped the straight bumper for a notched one - which was easy to find in wrecking yards and cheap.
#6
It looks and sounds like that doofus from Billions and Trillions. Who now also goes by GTOGuru (same phone number and web site) on ebay. He's got some ridiculously priced pieces of '64-'69 consoles (and a couple whole ones, maybe, I'll admit) listed that look really good in the pics. Then below, in the description, he sneaks in "the one in the picture is not the one you will receive. You will receive one that is better...." yada yada yada...
I guess I'm saying that it feels to me like the ad for this '72 is very similar to the look and feel of B&T's marketing.
Buyer Beware!
I guess I'm saying that it feels to me like the ad for this '72 is very similar to the look and feel of B&T's marketing.
Buyer Beware!
Last edited by BackInTheGame; May 28th, 2020 at 07:47 PM.
#8
Notwithstanding the documentation and other observations, I'd expect the car to be damned near perfect at that price...not presented with chrome seat trim hanging in mid air and signs of dirt/wear on interior components.
#10
The ad makes no claims that the car is a W-30. Every 70-72 today has a repro hood and wide side stripes. The VIN is in the ad. If a buyer is too stupid to figure out what he's looking at, or to get a professional appraisal before spending stupid money, he deserves to get taken. The seller can ask whatever insane price he wants.
#11
The ad makes no claims that the car is a W-30. Every 70-72 today has a repro hood and wide side stripes. The VIN is in the ad. If a buyer is too stupid to figure out what he's looking at, or to get a professional appraisal before spending stupid money, he deserves to get taken. The seller can ask whatever insane price he wants.
1. I spoke with the seller. The car sold at Mecum in 2013 as a "true W30." The car is black with a black convertible top.
2. No trim tag photograph has been provided so there is no way to determine whether or not the car was born in the colors described.
3. Experts can not prove that the car is NOT a real W30 other than saying a real W30 has an " X" in the vin. (The seller is shifting the burden to prove the car is Not a W30).
4. The engine is a 455 4bbl and has dual exhaust that all W30's were equipped with.
5. The car has a cutout rear bumper and dual exhaust.
6. The car has a Hurst shifter.
7. The dash emblem "442" was updated from "Cutlass Supreme", BUT ONLY on the "442" convertible.
The above information proves the car is a black, factory air, automatic, 1972 442 W30 convertible and is worth $150,000.00.
The above information is now to be used to authenticate 1972 442 W30's, specifically convertibles.
A copy of this information should be sent to Steven Minore so that he can update W30 authentication.
You need to stop being cynical. Lol.
Last edited by twilightblue28A; May 29th, 2020 at 02:37 PM.
#12
Ok Joe, I am respectfully requesting that all the contributors on this thread calm down and don't shoot the messenger (me)
1. I spoke with the seller. The car sold at Mecum in 2013 as a "true W30.". The car is black with a black convertible top.
2. No trim tag photograph has been provided so there is no way to determine whether or not the car was born in the colors described.
3. Experts can not prove that the car is NOT a real W30 other than saying a real W30 has an " X" in the vin. (The seller is shifting the burden to prove the car is Not a W30.)
4. The engine is a 455 4bbl and has dual exhaust that all W30's were equipped with.
5. The car has cut a cutout rear bumper with dual exhaust.
6. The car has a Hurst shifter.
7. The dash emblem "442" was updated from "Cutlass Supreme" , BUT ONLY on the "442" convertible.
So based on the above information proves the car is a black, factory air, automatic, 1972 442 W30 convertible and is worth $150,000.00.
You need to stop being cynical. Lol.
1. I spoke with the seller. The car sold at Mecum in 2013 as a "true W30.". The car is black with a black convertible top.
2. No trim tag photograph has been provided so there is no way to determine whether or not the car was born in the colors described.
3. Experts can not prove that the car is NOT a real W30 other than saying a real W30 has an " X" in the vin. (The seller is shifting the burden to prove the car is Not a W30.)
4. The engine is a 455 4bbl and has dual exhaust that all W30's were equipped with.
5. The car has cut a cutout rear bumper with dual exhaust.
6. The car has a Hurst shifter.
7. The dash emblem "442" was updated from "Cutlass Supreme" , BUT ONLY on the "442" convertible.
So based on the above information proves the car is a black, factory air, automatic, 1972 442 W30 convertible and is worth $150,000.00.
You need to stop being cynical. Lol.
#13
Ok Joe, I am respectfully requesting that all the contributors on this thread calm down and don't shoot the messenger (me)
1. I spoke with the seller. The car sold at Mecum in 2013 as a "true W30.". The car is black with a black convertible top.
2. No trim tag photograph has been provided so there is no way to determine whether or not the car was born in the colors described.
3. Experts can not prove that the car is NOT a real W30 other than saying a real W30 has an " X" in the vin. (The seller is shifting the burden to prove the car is Not a W30.)
4. The engine is a 455 4bbl and has dual exhaust that all W30's were equipped with.
5. The car has cut a cutout rear bumper with dual exhaust.
6. The car has a Hurst shifter.
7. The dash emblem "442" was updated from "Cutlass Supreme" , BUT ONLY on the "442" convertible.
So based on the above information proves the car is a black, factory air, automatic, 1972 442 W30 convertible and is worth $150,000.00.
You need to stop being cynical. Lol.
1. I spoke with the seller. The car sold at Mecum in 2013 as a "true W30.". The car is black with a black convertible top.
2. No trim tag photograph has been provided so there is no way to determine whether or not the car was born in the colors described.
3. Experts can not prove that the car is NOT a real W30 other than saying a real W30 has an " X" in the vin. (The seller is shifting the burden to prove the car is Not a W30.)
4. The engine is a 455 4bbl and has dual exhaust that all W30's were equipped with.
5. The car has cut a cutout rear bumper with dual exhaust.
6. The car has a Hurst shifter.
7. The dash emblem "442" was updated from "Cutlass Supreme" , BUT ONLY on the "442" convertible.
So based on the above information proves the car is a black, factory air, automatic, 1972 442 W30 convertible and is worth $150,000.00.
You need to stop being cynical. Lol.
#14
As I had written in my original post, since revised, Steven Minore should be copied so Steven can update his W30 authentication criteria.
Last edited by twilightblue28A; May 29th, 2020 at 02:57 PM.
#15
This same seller might as well tell us he is in possession of the Holy Grail, and the Ark of the Covenant. And he knows where the fountain of youth is, as well as Malaysian Air 370.
However, he just has no proof.
However, he just has no proof.
Last edited by vCode442; May 29th, 2020 at 03:39 PM.
#16
The "Cutlass Supreme" emblem on the glove box door even displays "442" on convertibles only........
Bet you never knew!
#17
The car has to be a "W30."
#20
And at 150k, shouldn’t there be a spare tire and jack assembly in the trunk?
And maybe even a second car, a documented low mile 72 W-30 442 convertible - with an X in the VIN 🤣
And maybe even a second car, a documented low mile 72 W-30 442 convertible - with an X in the VIN 🤣
Last edited by vCode442; May 29th, 2020 at 08:18 PM.
#21
just buy it and feel good about it. Lol you dont have to prove anything until after you buy a under documented car And enter it in in a show and get served that you were ripped off. No worries here, put your money where your mouth is.
Last edited by gs72; May 29th, 2020 at 08:13 PM.
#22
Surely all any potential buyer has to verify is whether he is willing to part with $150.000 for it. Any sane person considering that kind of purchase would go to some lengths to verify exactly what he/she is buying.
Roger.
Roger.
#23
Agreed - smart buyer would ask for proof. Seller really doesn't have to prove anything. If seller isn't providing any proof the smart buyer should negotiate with that in mind or walk away. Car is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.
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