Just watching Indy Mecum Thursday edition and a 1970 dark blue w31 went for over 100 thousand dollars. My question is, did any of the 70's come with air conditioning as this one had?

 

Wow. No surprise but wow 😳

https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...1/#post1496917

 

Hey , thanks for the reply. I went back and read that thread. I thought that year and optioned car weren't supposed to have those items, but that's why I asked to be sure. So does this probably mean the whole car is faked, or did someone just add the a.c. Don't know if they advertised if car comes with any documents. I wonder if buyer was aware.

 

Went back to Mecum's site and read description.Says that it has original protecto plate and Vin # 336870M354113. Can anyone decipher with the vin# ?

 

VIN will not identify a W-31. W-31 cars are very hard to prove. Zero W-31's had power brakes or AC. Guessing the buyer had no clue. Nevermind the shotty work. One hundred grand for a questionable car with terrible stripe job and things that Never came on said car... One more overpriced car sold to a clueless buyer. 🤯
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Yep... if you can't get the stripes right which are a very overt feature of the car, what else is not correct?
Always drives me crazy when I see a 69 H/O 'professionally restored'.... etc... when they can't even get the 'directional' hood scoop decals correct, amazing...

 

Amen.

What else is not correct?
Well power brakes and AC for starters. If it has power brakes I bet that proves that it doesn't have a built to W-31 spec engine as well. Hell of a smart purchase. 👍

 

As said a few days ago pn one of the forums, auction houses have a clause where they are not confirming the info the seller days..buyer beware..I have no idea if this car started out as the real deal and ac etc was added or what..someone thought so to pay 6 figures for it..

 

My guess is they had no clue. More money than brains. Exactly what an auction house has become.

 

There is (was) a Seinfeld episode which aired years ago. Jerry/George in the bakery buying bread (don't believe it's the "You Stole My Bread" episode). Anyways, two trays of bread - both identical. One tray loaves are marked $3.00 the other tray they're marked $6.00. Jerry asks, why two prices they look same to me. Baker replies, they're identical. Jerry asks why two different prices. Baker replies - some people can afford to pay double.

 

Caveat emptor and all, but wow. Paying W31 money for a dressed Cutlass.

 

That's well beyond W-31 money.

 

Amen brother Amen. There isn't one single true blood Oldsmobile person would pay that for that car. Not One. One hundred percent sham. Built for an auction from the word go. I am so done with what this hobby has become. Even here. People defend stupid high prices on questionable cars. Makes me sick. This car is a joke. Yet people still say "well it's worth it to someone"
This does true document true car people any good how? Go throw together a car that never was. F up the stripes because you don't care. Put things on it that were never available. Fools defend it. Gone are the days of people that actually care.

 

I will say this. That is absolutely the high dollar mark for a 1970 Cutlass dressed up to sell as a whatever.

Good move 👍

 

Yes, and far far far beyond Cutlass S money. I get that people make their cars their own. I do it myself. But I can't, in good conscience, represent my 442 as anything other than a 442. It's not a Cutlass S, F-85, W-30, W-31, H/O, or anything else. Amazing that a clone can grab that kind of cash.

 

Stuff like this causes the price of junk parts cars to increase.

 

Well, it was worth it to someone..you don’t know nor do I if this was a true w31 with added on ac, pb etc..why all the hate? There are plenty of cars for sale for a lot less if someone doesn’t want concourse restored vehicles. Just the cost alone to have a car restored to this degree exceeds 80k, not including the purchase of the car..So what if it brings big money at an auction..bottom line these auctions have helped catapult the hobby in many many good ways..gone are the days for finding a muscle car in the alley and paying 1500 for it. So I guess I am one in your “fools category”

 

Sounds like you’re OK with people getting scammed.
And you say this “is good for the hobby”.

 

If a buyer and seller agree to a price then how is that scammed? Do you personally know for a fact this car did not start out as aW31? If you owned a basic w31 in good condition 10 years ago it would be worth whatever someone is willing to pay you for it..same as today, the exposure these auction houses have given the hobby have made the garden variety muscle car worth more than ever before..so yes, they are good for the hobby as there are now more parts available due to more people willing to spend money to restore..just because you call someone with deep pockets wanting what they want as being scammed then hell people get scammed at the grocery store too. Its called capitalism..if the owner mis-represented it as you are pro-porting there are legal avenues to rectify..

 

I think most people who are bothered by this are bothered because the buyer apparently didn't really care one way or the other.

 

I hear ya, I don’t understand a lot of auction prices.. I was watching Mecum yesterday, and that challenger known as the Black ghost out of Detroit, was an old run down garage kept car, but it wasn’t in great shape by any means just had some notoriety from street racing, I realize it was the only black on black, gator vinyl top 4 speed se series hemi ever built but…. it sold for right at a million dollars with fees. A friend of mine knows the guy that bought it because he’s a client of his and he told him the car was pretty rough. Once he got it and now he’s contemplating whether to leave it as is or restore it. In my simple mind he’ll never get his money back but then again who knows…its crazy..My guess is some of these folks have been extremely successful and made a lot of money and they just want what they want. Hey, you only live once and if you got the money it doesn’t matter to you as you what you want I guess. I’m not in that position, but if I was, I may do the same thing.

 

I am bothered by people paying big money for questionable cars and how many people support it. To each their own. Seeing people pay prices that cars with true pedigree and proof get makes no sense to me. Like you all say. Hey if someone wants to pay it let 'em. How that helps the hobby? Sure helps the people that build fakes. Sure helps them. Like I have said many times. People just don't care about authenticity anymore. It's become so much about "Oh look at me and what I have" Just not my gig. To everyone that wants to go overpay for questionable cars. Go do your thing. Big world. Plenty of opinions.

Nevermind how many high dollar cars NEVER get driven as they were built to be driven. Put put put in and out of a trailer. How is that fun?

 

So in your opinion misrepresenting a car (W-31 with AC and power brakes) is not a scam?
Well OK then, now I know.

 

Even worse. It is accepted. That's what makes me sick. The whole "So what" mentality blows me away.

Especially on this particular car. How bad are those stripes? They actually get thicker at the rear of the car to try to makeup for the terrible alignment. 👍

 

Please explain EXACTLY how you know personally this car did not start out as a true w31? I own a W 30 pretty sure I could add power brakes and AC if I wanted to.. So in your mind that would invalidate my car is a W 30. I don’t understand why you guys get all worked up over some auction where people exchange their money that they earned for a vehicle that somebody else built that they put their blood sweat and tears or money whatever into. It doesn’t affect you one damn bit outside the fact you just want to complain about it

 

I think the only thing that blows you away is that someone disagrees with you. Haters be hating. Lol. Hey its your world squirrel..

 

Zero hate. Stupid people want to pay stupid money? Go for it. I could give a crap if people disagree with me. You support it. Your call. You say how can someone prove that W-31 isn't real. Can you prove it is? I got your squirrel right here

 

Further to Mecum and ridiculous prices: it's not happening only in Oldsworld ... $180K for an AAR 'Cuda? What is that?

 

You definitely got a squirrel somewhere..May I speculate its up your booty? Lol. You may have the last word Mr Gasbag..

 

You do realize when you wrestle a pig in slop the pig enjoys it?

 

If you wanna tell a buyer your W-30 came with power brakes and AC go right ahead. You’ve said you’re good with the misrepresentation and won’t lose any sleep over scamming someone.

Go ahead buddy, you do you and be comfortable with yourself.

 

Now that is funny.

 

Actually if you knew how to read and comprehend it would be nice, however I know thats asking a lot..have a nice night

 

yes sir I realize it, sometimes windbags get to me..

 

Aren't we as a collective Classicoldsmobile.com the knowledge base of Oldsmobiles?
And if someone has a car with things that weren't available from the factory, that are not stated as such, are we not supposed to call that out?
Unless we as Classicoldsmobile.com are to become bystanders in misrepresentation of the marque, then we as a group (or as individuals if the group remains silent) need to call out misrepresentations.

I don't care if you think it's OK since both parties are comfortable with the arrangement. It's wrong and you damn well know it is, even if you won't acknowledge it.

 

I'm still trying to figure out what's entertaining about watching an auction on TV. It ranks right up there with golf, fishing, and poker on the boring scale. Do you really not have anything better to do?

 

And don’t forget bowling

 

I'm pretty sure the cowl/firewall is different for a a/c car. Back before the internet and reproduction parts. All you wanted was to keep that hotrod on the road. If you had a wrecked or rusted out performance car you went and found a clean donor car. And moved the drivetrain over. That's where the a/c and power brakes came from - the donor car. Just a guess.

 

See I am with you on all of that. Just be honest about it. The defense of fake **** here blows me away. All of my trolls come out because they troll me. F all of you. You bark up a tree. Own the tree. The support of questionable fake cars here sucks. Like Fun71 said. People come here to see truth. What is seen here is the defense of bullshit. That's what sucks. All you clowns that join up and come down on me. Kiss me right here. Go defend bullshit cars some more. All you little bitches have me on your troll list.
I said it early on. Not One Single true Oldsmobile fan would have bought this car. Not one. All you fake talk **** fools... Nice call. Pull up your panties. You got this. Justify fake some more.

 

The fundamental issue, for any item or service offered for sale, how is the item/service represented and is there an attempt to defraud. Unfortunately fraud is prevelant, hence the advice Buyer Beware. Your only upfront defense is education, your own or that of a trusted advisor. Recourse after the transaction can be expensive and exhaustive. I don't know how the vehicle in question was represented and the information shared with the prospective buyers.