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10/2/2012 1967 OLDSMOBILE 442 W30 4 SPEED DOCUMENTED This car comes documented with the original Protect-O-Plate, the original shop order, the original window sticker, and copies of most of the titles, including the first one - The car still retains its original w30 engine - Also included is the current address and phone number for the original owner, a famous west coast racer - restored in the original color combination, and still retains most of the original interior - This car has power steering and power disc brakes - It is a rust free car with the original floor pans and trunk pan - This car has 70,000 miles and notice it still retains the original T3 headlamps - There were approximately 502 of these cars built, - One if the best documented 67 W30's for sale on the market today

 

Yes, power brakes were an OPTION on '67 W-30 cars. The "no-vacuum" restriction came out later on the '68-'70 4-speed cars equipped with the 328* duration cams

 

Can you elaborate on this? Doing research on 67's for my restore. Thanks,

 

Not exactly sure what '67 info you are looking for. Are you working on a 442 or a W-30?

The '66-'67 W-30s had a .474" lift, 308* duration, 82* overlap cam.
The '68-'70 manual transmission W-30s had a .475" lift, 328* duration, 108* overlap cam.

The introduction, for the '68 model year, of the "second design" W-30 high-overlap camshaft required Oldsmobile to offer it with 4-spd ONLY as the camshaft produced insufficient vacuum to properly operate the turbo 400 and/or power brakes.

anyone know the script? for degrees?

 

Um, not exactly. '68 W30s could be had with M21 4-speeds and M40 Autos.

 

Yes, the 328 cam was 4-spd ONLY.

Yes, W-30s were available auto & 4-spd.

 

I was referring to the no-vacuum restriction. What does this mean?

 

Looks like ad for the sale of the car. Of which looks like a scam.
maybe I'm wrong, but it sure looks to good to be true.

I check on a ad for an enclosed trailer , that was a great price. But it was a scam, of which you had to send money to this web site, of which they would deliver the trailer with in a couple of days. Big scam.
That sort of looks like what this car is, but maybe it is something else.

Gene

 

An engine is an air-pump (air in & air out) - here are a couple links to explain camshaft design.

http://www.freeasestudyguides.com/ca...n-overlap.html

http://www.streetracersonline.com/articles/camshafts/

http://www.jdmcars.com/tech/lift_duration.pdf

Intake engine vacuum is created when the exhaust is closed, the intake is open & the piston is on the down stroke. With the 328* camshaft the amount of time this occurs is short and does not produce sufficient vacuum to "power" accessories that are designed to run off of "engine vacuum" - therefore an OPTION ordering restriction (large duration camshaft = no vacuum = NO turbo 400 transmission/power brakes/power trunk?/vacuum A/C door controls etc.).

 

AH! Ok got it now. Thanks!

 

The ad is at 442.com

 

The car exists, it has been at a couple of the "big name" auctions in the past few years. I don't see a price in the ad, so how or what is it too good to be true?

What I find puzzling is - there were 503+/- W-30 cars built in '67, but the same handful keep showing up for sale (been for sale long time?) or at auction.

?? this "saffron" car, black 4-spd car on eBay, "Spanish red" auto car at Corvette & Musclecars in (North?) Canton, OH ??

 

The Spanish Red car in North Canton Ohio is definitely ar "REAL" W-30 car. I have known the car for years and tried to buy it on several occassions. The current owner is an "Olds guy" -- The North Canton dealer has the car for sale on consignment.
Yes - there are many "clone" 67 W-30s out there but I havent yet seen one that hasnt been "exposed". The cloners always happen to miss some detail that eventually exposes the "fraud"!!

 

Just now looked at the pix of this car for the first time since i saw this listing.
YES! This is a REAL W-30 car. I happen to personally know this car too! I was in negotiations with a former owner about 4 years ago when he had a sudden aneurism and died. This car was "living" in NC at the time. The mans widow sold it, along with a black 66 track-pak W-30 to someone who almost immediately ran it through Meacum Auction in Fla. You can probably find the Meacum Listing on its website?
I even have pix of this cars window sticker -- so I probably have more documentation of this car that the current owner does!!! I also know that someone has changed the wheels to the SS1s. The car origially came from factory with steel wheels and full-disc wheel covers ( not very attractive). I will attach a pic of it with the correct wheels. I will also attach a pic from my personal file that shows the "un-original" firewall resistor" and also the "un-original" oil fill cap. You can compare my pix with the ones in the ad and see that it is definitely the same car!!

 

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For what its worth --- NHRA approved and accepted the 328 cam for the 1968 W-30 with TH400. That's what Pete Kost's Holiday Olds D/SA was.
Whether the factory left any of them out in that form is debatable??

 

To my knowledge, there wasnt any 67 W-30s with TH400 built with power brakes for the same lack-of-vacuum issue? I've always been told this - whether true or not? I've yet to see a window sticker showing it either? I've seen several that had been "upgraded" with PB, but never saw it on a build sheet or window sticker ---- Just sayin..... There's always something new "poppin up" and I'm still on the look-out for this one!! Maybe the "evidence" will show up someday?? Maybe Kurt (WMachine) can add some light??

 

P.S. IIRC- the car reached a top bid of $45K at Meacum and did NOT meet the "reserve" .

 

If you know the car - then you should know, based (if I'm reading it correctly) on the protect-o-plate "03100" accessory code, it was OPTIONED with power steering, power brakes, deluxe radio. (formerly column auto & a white vinyl top, also)

The "saffron" road test car has power brakes also.

 

[QUOTE=hurst68olds;464152]If you know the car - then you should know, based (if I'm reading it correctly) on the protect-o-plate "03100" accessory code, it was OPTIONED with power steering, power brakes, deluxe radio.
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"Yeah, what he said...."
Dan has it covered for you Tweed. And you had the smoking gun in your hand!

 

Well - there ya go ---- I never saw the POP for the Spanish Red car -- and I dont know how to read em either for that matter.

I always assumed the car had the power brakes added on and not from factory? You are correct on the car being column shift. The current owner converted it to console/floor shift! The car was already repainted with a different red when I first saw it. No vinyl top. the attached pix is how i saw it first- before the frame-off was done on it. you can see the color difference on the underside of the deck lid which is the Spanish Red.
NOTE: you can still see the Colorado front license tag on the car. When I first looked at the car in 2002 the owner had purchased it from someone in Colorado and brought it here to Ohio. For some reason I lost the pic of the trim tag that i had in my file? Ugh!

 

Here's a W30 NOT! that's for sale in Hershey this weekend - AFAIK not even a 442

I've seen "2X" often refered to simply as "floor shift automatic", but isn't it more specifically "floor shift Jetaway"?

 

Yeah, I'd call that "way not!". Yikes! "No expense spared", no sense used.
Right, not even a 442. Framingham '67s have the same accessory codes as Lansing. And as far as I can tell, the X is for the Jetaway. The floor shift Turbo 400s have "just" a G (without the X).

 

All the 67 W30 factory cars were built in Lansing.
The Dec 67 parts book shows 397328 (308 deg) for 66-68 W30s but later parts books show all 68-69 W30s had 402569 (328 deg) cam.