Hairy Olds

When did the 67 year production start?
Month, date, hour minute, second

Allan R

I give up. What's the answer?

66-3X2 442

They quit building Olds after 66.

Hairy Olds

Don't you have car to finish!

I haven't a clue as to the month or day when production started.

GAOldsman

Generally production began in August and ran through July. As to the exact date, hour or second.... Whatsitmatta?

Hairy Olds

Well the reason I ask is because my car was invoiced on the dealers lot in Oct of 66. Not sure of the day but it was sold on 11/21/66. The car has a few 66 parts on the car that other 67's I have looked at that have late 66 builds do not have on their cars. I'm thinking a September build.

hurst68olds

by my calculations:

Oldsmobile Lansing built around 1,600 cars-per-day (non-Toronado) when the plant was in full swing for the '67 model year. Were there 3-shifts, did all 3-shifts build cars? Production for the first couple of weeks (or month) was at a much slower rate with only around 3,000 cars assembled during the last 8 working days of August (08D & 08E). Has anyone seen a 08C built 1967 Olds? Approximately 30,000 units were built by the end of September '66.

On the other end - the first 3 weeks of July were similarly productive, but production during week number 4 (07D) decreased significantly to less than 3,000 units for the week. I don't believe there are any 07E '67 Oldsmobiles.

Does anyone know when the "public" introduction of the '67 cars was? This date was usually mid-September.

66400

I have a very early 67 Cutlass Supreme. I'll look at it today and share the #'s with you tonight.

Henry

GAOldsman

The cowl tag will or should show the begin build week and month.

Hairy Olds

00A on the trim tag so thats no help.

GAOldsman

Although I've never seen one that early, could it be 08A or possibly 09A?? I guess a pic should help as several eyes are better than two

GAOldsman

Also in strategic places on every body panel is a date code. I haven't researched a '67 but here is an example of one off of my '72

A22 = A machine 22nd week of '72 ~ last week of May 1972 and my car was assembled the 1st week of June

A21 = A machine 21st week of May (~4th week of May) of '72


G22 = G machine 22nd week

Trunk Lid underside - A22 34257 = A machine 22nd week Cutlass Supreme

Allan R

I don't think there could be a 00A for the cowl tag. That would indicate the 'zero' month first week build. More likely the embossed numbers are a little light and it's 09 as Scot mentioned the possibility of.

One other thing I remember reading somewhere. Not all plants started production at exactly the same time. I believe Lansing was usually the first to make the transition to the new model year.

An invoice date of Oct 66 does indicate an earlier production car, but likely not one of the very first ones.

66-3X2 442

I'm not speaking for Paul but his car has a 00A trim tag.

hurst68olds

There are a number of "00A" body tags (mis-stamped for 10A) - I'd guess these bodies were built the first shift for October (Monday 10/3, or was the UAW working Saturday 10/1?).

hurst68olds

I'll "assume" there are a large number of these for 1967.

Hairy Olds

As Mike said the trim tag is stamped as clear as day 00A.
The quarters are stamped A39 and the rest of the sheet metal has that stamping also.
Vin is 130880 so it's not a real early car.

Mike is the car done yet.

Allan R

I learned something new about fisher cowl tags. Far as I know from discussion with peeps who worked at Lansing, or their parents/friends did, the Body works plants and Assembly lines worked at least 2 shifts/day and sometimes evenings/weekends to meet production requirements. I'd be willing to bet that production was ramped in the first couple of months just to get inventory out to the dealerships throughout the world. I keep forgetting that production also had to include other countries than USA and Canada.

Thanks for posting that tag. Looks like the car it came from WAS an early production with body 425 at Lansing. Can't help but wonder if that wasn't for the first week of August though. To have a production date in October with a low body number like that doesn't jive.

I don't know about that. If I assume Hurst68Olds numbers are correct, you actually would have an early production car. The sequence at Lansing started at 100001 for the 67 model year and 30,000 units could easily have been produced by the 3rd week of August if the 1600/day is accurate. Even if the actual number was closer to 1000 cars/day and assuming extra 4 hours a day production run time (around a car every minute and a half??) that would still be within the first month of 67 production.

The A39 on all quarters indicates the same series of presses for the sheet metal stamping at Lansing Fisher Body works. You'll find those numbers strategically stamped at various locations on anything that was machine stamped prior to being welded into place. All the same numbers there means your car has basically all the same sheet metal it left the factory with.

GAOldsman

Okay so the panels were stamped at the end of September so that would lead me to believe it was produced in early October of 1966.

66-3X2 442

If I'm not mistaken,cars were released in October back then. They built the 66 models until August 1,2 or 3rd. I have had a couple of 07E cars,so they built them very late in July or early August. They had to change the plant over to the next year model run,so how long did that take? Maybe DaveH can tell us that. My best guess is they didn't start producing the 67 models until September. I don't remember seeing a 08? 67 cowl tag but have seen a few 09? 67 cowl tags.

hurst68olds

You can "wonder" all you want - the car was "produced" the first week of October. Based on the VIN (335677M134003) the car is a relatively "rare" Cutlass convertible with only 4,337 built - so "only" 425 units built at Lansing by the beginning of October (roughly 7 weeks into '67 production) is easily conceivable.


Re-read my post - production was very "slow" at least 'til mid-September. Total production at Lansing (non-Toronado) for the month of August was in the neighborhood of 3,000 units. Total production at Lansing (non-Toronado) for the months of August & September '66 combined was less than 30,000 units. My numbers are within a few percent & definitely not off by nearly 40%. I don't believe there are any "08A" or "08B" Lansing built '67 Oldsmobiles & there may not be any for "08C" either.

So this is: "A" machine & 39th week - appears to be the last week of September '66.

hurst68olds

here's a "08D"

66-3X2 442

With a 17 body #,that pretty much nails it down when production started in Lansing. Of course they could have started earlier with a different model but that's the earliest body # I've seen.

66-3X2 442

Was that a heater delete car?

Allan R

Not trying to argue, you've made your point and it makes perfect sense now. That would be with the 6 cylinder engine right?

Wow! Another 67 vert with an even lower body number. Wonder what happened to make the 00X mis stamping?

hurst68olds

WAG - The first digit only needs to be changed a few times a year. Tired (Monday morning) UAW worker changing the 2nd digit (& 3rd) of the whatever type of "stamping fixture" from "09E" to "00A" & forgetting to the change the first digit.

hurst68olds

I believe it was a "built for export" - or maybe a former Hawaii based convertible. Currently "sporting" a big-block Chevy.

Hairy Olds

My body # is 3279.

66-3X2 442

That explains the 2H code=heater delete. Very rare car.

66400

67 Cutlass Supreme 4dr hdtp Lansing car

08D
71 BODY
vin 338397M100177

Can't get much earlier than this.

Henry

Hairy Olds

So if I'm reading all of this info correctly late August early September was the start of production.

66-3X2 442

With the 2 08D tags shown,that would seem right. Like I said before,they built 66's till the first few days of August. That would give them appox. 4 weeks for the model change over. Remember just because the body was built in August,the actual car production could follow by a few days or even a week or so. It's possible the bodies were built ahead of time by Fisher to get a jump on production. It also looks like your tag is a typo and with the serial #,I would say your car is a 10A car. Agree?

66-3X2 442

I talked to Curt Anderson and has the production dates from Helen Early. The 67 F-85 production started on 8-25-66. Toronado production started on 8-9-66. He is sending me the 67 production by days of production.

GAOldsman

You mean 8-25-66 and 8-9-66 respectively.

66-3X2 442

What are you talking about? Fixed it.

Koda

For some modern perspective, the 66 to 67 changeover is what my company would call a minor model change. (67-68 would be major). Current method, not including trial vehicles, is to clear the shop of vehicles (build out), allow time for conveyance to restock and tweak all flowracks and such, then start low volume build later that shift (like 1 in every 4 carriers, build about 30 or so the first shift). But, we build every work day, so their mileage may have varied back then.

hurst68olds

Here's 7M135893 another CS 442 2-dr hardtop (Holiday Coupe).

Nine 33817 bodies earlier & 5,000+ assigned VINs later. The body was built the same week, but notice the correct "10A" (at least someone had their machine properly set).

I'd estimate the bodies were built the same day, but the cars were 4 days apart.

Hairy Olds

That is way too bizzare to have a trim tag that close to mine. Do you own the car?
From the info I have gathered from this thread and off line info my car was built around the 13th to the 15th of October. The body was built during the first week of October probably nearer the end of the week. All of the cast parts and other parts that are stamped with a date point in this direction.
The production start dates are at the end of August of 1966 for the 1967 year run.