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As we all know it’s buyer beware, especially on eBay - just curious what other thoughts were on this 442. At first look seems to be clean and fairly nice but wow look at the trim tag. In the item description he has multiple photos and a couple of things don’t look right - but scroll to the trim tag, it sure appears to be re riveted and modified doesn’t it?
If link doesn’t work just search 1970 442 on eBay - it ends tomorrow. Also when I see quick seven day no reserve auction’s they always make me scratch my head - perhaps a distressed sale, or somethings not right.
The "original motor" has a 1974 VIN derivative that looks like it came from a Toronado. What's interesting is that the block casting number has a san-serif "F" despite the 1974 VIN derivative. Now I know that some F blocks were, in fact, factory installed in 73-74 cars (in fact, I just bought one today) but they all have the serif style "F".
Am I crazy or is the cowl tag totally bogus? It just doesn’t look like any other 70-72 cutlass or 442 tag I’ve ever seen. Thanks Joe for pointing out the more salient issues.
Why are some sellers so authoritative on eBay, when they clearly are clueless.
Present the car as as it is, and as you know it to be - don’t overpromise!
Although the seller claims to be a private seller, he is a used car salesman. He buys and flips car for profit. He probably has now idea what makes a W30 a W30. The car is obviously not numbers matching, the Cowl Tag is suspect, carb is wrong,fender braces and washer bottle missing. Altenator is incorrect, A/C compressor missing. No one in their right mind should bid or buy this car without inspecting it in person.
Really have to question the re-attached body tag. I see absolutely no reason to remove one unless your switching it to a different car. A car can be completely restored without removing this , unless its a rusted pile that needs to be rebodied to be saved, and that raises all sorts of red flags. Id like to see the rivits holding the vin tag
Not for nothing, but I thought the fenders for all 70-72 A-body Olds w/455 had rear fender braces where this car does not have them? Could have left them out, but where are they? Probably with the bolts that are missing from the fenderwells according to the pics. The sloppiness of the badge placement (all of them on the fenders and trunk lid) is abysmal. I'm guessing that's not a W-30 trunklid or the holes would already be in the right place. Not saying it wasn't originally a real W-30, but if you're going to ask that much for a restored car, or put that much effort into faking it, at least put the **** on straight and in the right place. Details like that should matter. Looks like total dog doo-doo while the finish seems fairly nice overall. But underneath that shiny paint layer, some very questionable things stick out screaming that things aren't quite as they appear. And that 200 mph speedometer looks cool, but certainly not original.
It's still a fairly straight car and appears rust-free for the most part. Just not sure if it's real or not or cobbled together/faked. And the description is obviously dishonest, so it already starts off on the wrong foot. I'd still drive it. Just not sure if I'd want to own it.
And that 200 mph speedometer looks cool, but certainly not original.
I missed that. It very well might be in km/h. If the car was north of the boarder for any length of time, I think that Canada mandates that vehicles must read in km instead of miles. I have seen a couple of older cars with this done to them from Canada.
Also it looks to be either a 71 or 72 speedo due to the blue high beam indicator.
Yes, that's a KPH speedo with speedminder. That's a pretty rare piece. Of course, simply change the speedo gears in the trans and it reads out in MPH instead of KPH.
I did a little reading on the F font. I think the serif/ sans serif has a lot to do with if it's a screw in plate into the mold. You can see screw heads in the non serif. I think the engine is what it says it is, but what it says it is is not what the seller claims it to be, as described above.
SMDH. 48,601? Wow. You can bet that wasn't me. If the car wasn't a fake, or even if it was, the "I don't know" factor would knock it down into the 20's max for me. Too much wrong with that thing to be a "restoration" for my liking.
Apparently it’s not far off the money (book value wise) IF it was a real documented 1970 W 30. But after seeing that cowl tag, I’d be very reluctant to trust anything about the car.
Last edited by vCode442; Oct 27, 2019 at 07:24 PM.
I feel bad for whoever bought that car for that kind of money. There is so much not right about it at all. I can hardly believe that the seller even used those terms of all original numbers matching and then showed that they don't match at all. I mean it's got a 74 engine block with a 77 carburetor on top of a reproduction intake sitting under a damaged hood, And there is so much more, WTF?
