Allan R

Has anyone seen this one before??

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...E:B:SS:CA:1123

I've never seen a 1970 wearing these color combo stripes. It's defiinitely a beautiful car. BTW, the video is awesome and has some great music too.

344870M

I am by no means an expert on the Indy Pace cars but I don't think I've ever seen them in any other combination. The only thing that I see as unusual is the decal delete on the doors.

agtw31

sharp car
i dont see M20 on the data plate

344870M

Unless that is something Olds did for this car it is not true for my W-30 which has a correct 4 spd.


He has an awful lot of unique to this car stuff that is not unique to the car. Cut outs on the bumper, the SS II wheels the sports suspension...... If you have a car like this and you're trying to sell it for top dollar, you'd better know everything there is to know about it and not make stuff up. You'll shoot yourself in the foot.

344870M

I did add it to my YouTube favs though. Lighting 'em sounds sooooooo sweet. He should have stayed in it a little longer and/or showed the speedometer so we could see just how quickly it accelerated.

I do have a question though. Air, p/b's AND a 4 speed? I didn't think that was doable. Or did they make exceptions for the Pace car? Joe? Kurt?

Allan R

That's one of the things that kind of set off alarm bells for me too. Didn't all the HO pace cars come with the cutout bumpers, rallye pac, sports steering wheel, SS11 wheels, sport mirrors, strato buckets to name a few?

I've seen lots of pace cars from 1972 and on. Most of them had the pace event on the side of the car too and labeled it as a pace car. Is this something that started in 72?

Reason I asked about the appearance of this car. The 68 HO was silver black. 69? Check out Jamesbo's pics - white / gold. The only car Iv'e really seen the black/red combo on was the 83/84 HOs. I'm not saying that 70 wasn't white with red/black trim - I just haven't seen any before this one. There are lots of imposters out there for sure that claim to be HO originals. This one just looks too good to be true. And I've been told many times over that if it looks too good to be true, it probably isn't. I still can't get over how nice it looks.

I really take 344870M's words to heart. If you want top dollar, know your car and back it with facts and details. The other thing that kind of bothers me, weren't the pace cars automatics with dual gate shifters?

svnt442

You could get that combo on regular 442's (including the pace car) just not the W30's.

joe_padavano

Correct. The 4 spd 442 with A/C was limited to a 3.23 rear axle.

Actually, the door decals were not factory installed but were delivered in the trunk. It was the owner's option to install them or not.

FYI, the Hurst Equipped emblem is decidedly NOT factory.

Oh, and the valve covers are on backwards. Notches go to the back.

svnt442

Geees Joe...your new nickname is "eagle eye" !

stevengerard

I have seen a bunch of the 70 pace cars with out the door graphics and even those that were once put on were taken off by subsequent owners, heck even some superbirds/Daytonas had their front ends and rear wings taken off because they sat on the lots so long

Diego

How come no one has mentioned the Y74 code on the data plate? Barring any rebodying, that's the sign of a true pace car.

joe_padavano

I didn't get the sense that there was a question of it being real. Maybe I missed that.

Diego

I was going by "I've never seen a 1970 wearing these color combo stripes."

344870M

Cool. Thanks.

Saw that though.

stevengerard

what was the rear end limit on an automatic W-30 with A/C and PBs? I thought standard was 3.23 and you could go up to 3.42s or down to 3.08 if desired

Diego

I believe AC meant 3.23 at best, then probably continues at 3.08 and goes higher from there.

coltsneckbob

I felt that this guy was BSing big time. Right on about the cut-outs, but there were other things too. For example he claims to have a W-27 year.....NOT....he has the W-27 diff cover that is all. The wood grain vinyl was also standard. As was the dual exhaust and the seat belts. This guy comes across like a cheap used car salesman.

He also claims the steering wheel is original.....well if it is whomever drove the car must have worn silk gloves. The wheel still has the original very fine grain in the fake leather and after 94K miles that is VERY unusual as the grain usually wore smooth by 50K.

Not sure why the air cleaner top does not say OLDS ROCKET V-8. That might be a minor flaw, but again just one more thing.

I also want to differ with Joe. I have the options sheet and it says the M21 only came with the 3.42 or the 3.91 rear.

joe_padavano

Not sure what exactly you're disagreeing with. The A/C cars with 4 speed were limited to a 3.23 rear. I guess that means only the M20 was available with A/C.

stevengerard

my neighbor has an original steering wheel and it still has the texture intact, I wanted to trade him mine but he he wouldn't go for it, so I bought a new one, hate to do a complete interior restoration and have the old slimy wheel and cracked center logo looking at me. Maybe he would trade for my new one - never thought of that.

Also many folks don't realize there was a complete w-27 rear end and many others just don't specify it is the cover only - seems like semantics to me.

joe_padavano

Correct, especially dealers who are not specialists in the particular model. Of course, I am ALWAYS skeptical of a full body-off resto that has EVERY available option.

coltsneckbob

Steve I think you're correct about some folks not realizing it. However, I think it is more than semantics when as a seller you have a duty to know and to represent honestly and fairly your product. It also becomes more significant an issue when the value is so high.

Maybe I am being too harsh on the guy...I dunno. But, if you're going to promote a car that cost this much and present yourself as knowledgeable....well you should be knowledgeable. The only other interpretation is you're being deceitful. Many of the mistakes made here were pretty basic. I don't hold myself out as an expert by any means, but were I in the market for a 442 I'd be very cautious about this seller....I guess that is my bottom line on it.

stevengerard

Agreed, I just know that after owning one of these cars for so long that as much as I know I also know I still have a lot to learn. (that's a lot of knows in one sentence). It is so hard to know what one is really buying when looking at these old cars

coltsneckbob

Yes, I know !