wmachine

To be more specific, Chris, there were approx 4400 A-bodies that got disc brakes. That was about 1.75%. The 4 piston units are becoming more obtainable as the Chevy guys are repopping them.

65B01Delta

I just picked up a 1967 Cutlass 4 door, 99% rust free (California Car) This would make a good donor car for oldsmosteel's find, that's if he buys the car. Will post pictures later.

oldsmosteel

did not see a smog pump... yes the heads have spark plugs threads. took some extra pics of the car & bought it today.

thanks to everyone for all the helpful info on the car. when i drag it home i'll take more pics & keep everyone posted. took these today when i picked up the pink. pics of cylinder head, 390390 D1 stamped on intake manifold, # on exhaust & passenger side view of trans. thanks again for all the help

oldsmosteel

pm'd you

hurst68olds

What does the "pink" show for first registered, does it show anything for prior state titled?

That's a turbo 400 - these are the "plugs" in the heads that would have smog tubes attached to if it was originally a CA vehicle.

oldsmosteel

almost positive there were no plugs like that... but im not 100%. can't really tell from this other pic of the cylinder head. as far as pink goes... dated 05/14/69. nothing about being an out of state vehicle. heres a copy

hurst68olds

From what I've seen - no smog-pump = not sold new in CA
5/14/69 would be the first issue of title in CA

If it had a prior CA title the 00/00/67 would've had the original sold/registered date.

It was probably sold at a municipal auction in AZ, NV, or other nearby locale during 5/69. Look for any painted "unit" numbers or tags in the door jambs under hood or trunk. What's the tag on the passenger inner fender.

COOL FIND!!

hurst68olds

head pic - modified

MDchanic

Also, note the location of the transmission model number tag in your picture.

The correct number will help to prove that the 442 400 was the original engine (442 experts will know exactly which one that is for this year).



- Eric

sammy

YES! Congrats on buying the car

Ted

Boldsmobile

Awesome!

Octania

Great score on the car, sir. Wipe that trans tag off gently with say WD40 and let's see what ye got there. I will be proud to assist in any parts that you may need that I can provide. Carb, stuff like that. I see you have PIT FREE exhaust manifolds. NICE....

1969w3155

Congrats! glad that you got it. Just curious, would a vehicle like a Police car still have to meet CA. emission standards in that time period?

hurst68olds

Gov't vehicles were "smog exempt" but I believe they still would've been purchsed with the required in CA equipment intact. The full size CHP car in the Hemmings article has a smog pump.

If they were not in compliance, then all the used fleet vehicles would need to be sold out of state.

oldsmosteel

gunna go back to day to load some parts in the truck. will take a better look at those heads & peep the #'s on the trans. thanks for the info.

oldsmosteel

thanks i'll let you know... have carb, air cleaner most engine parts, motor will need a complete rebuild. cars definitely gunna be needing some things... mostly interior, the whole back seat is missing.

oldsmosteel

i know this question has probably been asked a million times but where can i find good quality NEW replacement parts for this beast... engine rebuild components, differential bearings, carpet, rubber seals, sheet metal?

any recommendations on a good reputable oldsmobile motor rebuilding shop in Southern Ca?

as always thank you

Octania

Please post some ABC* photos of this AIR CLEANER - would love to know what unit they used! Hi-res, well lit, and on MACRO setting for the close shots please.

*A = primary overall photo
B= backside or bottom
C= Close shots - the inked on PN and 2-letter code would be most relevant for this. Width and height of the snout at each end is probably a differing detail also. See other thread on '69 442 air cleaner details.

65B01Delta

oldsmosteel, I picked up this 1967 Cutlass (Ex California Car) other day & it would be a perfect donor body for you. That's if your car does not have the post. To think about it since your car was a former Police Car it probably has the post. Anyway, I plan on parting this car out since the 330 4bbl engine is locked up, unless I get a wild hair & drop this 455 in it that I have sitting on my garage floor... This car is solid, except around the windows. I really hate to part it. Here's a few pictures. Too bad my car is located in Indiana...

oldsmosteel

will do. i'll take your ABC pics when i bring her home right now the air cleaner is still w/ the car. i will be picking it up on friday... cant wait! i requested a cellphone shot of the air cleaner today & this is what it looks like... looks pretty plain jane considering all the other goodies this car has... owner swears its the original

oldsmosteel

that looks like a very original car 65B01.. ill pm you when i put my list together. i know ill be needing a rear seat & some interior pieces for sure.

65B01Delta

Sounds good.

1970supremevert

mostly interior, the whole back seat is missing.[/QUOTE]

I have black bucket seats(needs tracks) and covers, not sure what you are planning to do for front seats

65B01Delta

Any more pictures/updates ?

wmachine

I'm not sure what that air cleaner is (yet), but that is not a '67 Olds air cleaner of any type.
The L77 400 with the auto trans would come with the same chrome air cleaner as the 442, except the label would be a Highway Patrol label affixed directly to the housing, not a pie tin. (Stick L77s came with the same open element air cleaner as the 442 with the HP label similarly affixed without the tin.)
I would not be deterred by that black air cleaner. That is the first "negative" I've observed here, and it is a very minor thing in a sea of "positives". Air cleaners are not a fixed item. And I'd give some latitude to the original owners memory. Memories are subject to flaws. Even without someone outright lying.

65B01Delta

oldsmosteel, I never received your PM. Also is your brother in-law going to get the car, or are you keeping it ?

66-3X2 442

My experience with 8.2 posi rears is,only the 3.55 and lower geared cars had the 4 pin posi. The higher geared units had a two pin posi. This is not gospel,only my experience.

wmachine

That is the gospel. Only the series III (3.55 and lower) has them. Documentation of the 4-pinion carrier is sketchy. So I don't know how far back they go with Olds. Apparently into the '66 model year. And I also don't know if all series III Anti Spin were 4-pinion, or was their a mix of 2 pinion and 4-pinion.

66-3X2 442

I had a very late 66 442 3 X 2 07E build that had a 3.90 posi with a 4 pin carrier. That's the only 66 I personally has seen or heard of that had a 4 pin carrier.

oldsmosteel

I have black bucket seats(needs tracks) and covers, not sure what you are planning to do for front seats[/QUOTE]

i'm gunna try to preserve this car as close to stock as possible. i'll stick w/ the factory bench for now. thanks anyway

65b01: no updates yet, i'll be bringing her hm on friday. my uncle decided to pass on the car. i was glad he did so i'll be taking on the resto myself. ill keep you updated. pm'd you on sat. maybe i'm doing somehtin wrong. either way i won't know what i need til i get her home.

oldsmosteel

good to know. i'll have her home friday & will take more pics of the car for ya. i'd like to drop the tank & hopefully find a build sheet to verify authenticity... maybe i'll get lucky & find the 1st build sheet from a Lansing built car.

Oldsmaniac

Cool you ended up with it. Here is a link to my build on a 67 442. Maybe you can find some useful info there Good Luck with yours. We would love to follow the progress !!

https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...-trac-pac.html

65B01Delta

I found build sheets on top of gas tanks on (2) 1965 Starfires. Good Luck.

oldsmosteel

wow! diggin the progress pics. your car was solid. nice find. mine is a bit more beaten up rotted floors & rust beneath windshield. can't wait to get started!

oldsmosteel

brought home a few boxes of misc engine parts today... heads, intake, exhaust, 4 barrel quadrajet carb, brackets & bolts. proud to say she's a 49 stater. no smog equip, no plugs on heads... & found a dealer name plate on the rear trunk lid... looks original. "Ahrens Madison" googled it, an olds dealer in Madison Wisc. i've been trying to decode the Rochester Quadrajet Carb to find out if its the original or not. i'm having the darndest time! there are no numbers on the side plate drivers side... (see 1st pic of carb) only on the back. there is a BP with 7044618 inside of a circle. my buddy who used to work at a carb rebuiling place told me that the 70448618 is the part number for the float. is this true? there is also a faint BP 269385 number back there but thats all i could find. here are some pics... any ideas?

Oldsmaniac

None of the picts show carb number which is the number on the round circle tag. That is the carb number and the one you use to get the proper rebuild kit.

MDchanic

On a true '66 or '67 carb you want the number on the round embossed tag on the front left side, shown here:



- Eric

oldsmosteel

after thoroughly checking the carb... i can say for a fact that i don't have a plate like that. i don't see a date code anywhere on it. there are faint little "BP" numbers on some of the parts that i can see but no date code stamped on the outside. is there any other way i can get a carb kit?

wmachine

Look on this vertical "rib"

droldsmorland

If you dont have the round tag pictured above you may have a (later) replacement carb or a unit that someone simply tossed in a box to go along with the car. Hopefully its a Q-jet and not an earlier 4G. Look for a 170xxxxx or a 70xxxxx number. The number will be vertical to the right of the "T" in QuardaJet in the pictures MD provided.
Google "how to identify Rochester quadra-jets"
Then Google Quadra-Jet rebuilding services. There are several reputable Q-Jet rebuild shops around the country that will provide you with a high quality rebuild on that carb or you can purchase one already to go. The rebuild shops will fix any short comings associated with the carb (leaking welch plugs...idle circuit up dates etc).
If you do attempt to DYI get the two Q-jet bibles. Cliff Ruggel is a great one and Doug Roe the other.
Furthermore do your self a favor if you DIY get a kit from one of these shops. They are higher quality (read not likely offshore) and the accelerator pump cup will be the latest and greatest material to survive on the crap they call gas at the pumps today. Also the adjustments in the books may not be accurate. Today's gas requires slight tweaks to be happy on the ethanol. Example:The float setting needs to be lower then yesterdays spec. to prevent boil over peculation into the idle ports etc...Cant hurt to put a 1" insulator/heat isolator under it before installation onto the intake too.

Kurt types faster then I. The arrow points to the spot.