Has anyone seen the 1964, 442, convertible, for sale ad on ebay? The ad indicates this vehile is all original with an automatic transmission. Since 1964 I was always under the impression that 442 designation stood for 4 speed trans, 4 barrel carb and dual exhaust. Does anyone know if the 442 option was available with an auto trans?

 

In '65 and later years it was.

 

1964, 4 barrel, 4 speed, 2 exhaust pipes.

 

do you mean the 1964 yellow convertible?

if so, that one has been for sale for years now. its the typical one of none car

 

Yup still for sale

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-Oldsmo...haHLfU&vxp=mtr

 

This is the description posted in the ad...

Oldsmobile introduced the 442 in 1964 as an option package for the Cutlass based on the Police interceptor equipment and coded B09. According to the Oldsmobile History Center, a mere 436 Cutlass convertibles were built in 1964 with the 442 package. This Tahitian Yellow car is rare, special-ordered with an automatic transmission. A rust-free car, its had spent the majority of its life in the garage of the Arizona vacation house of a New Jersey surgeon. It was fully restored in 2007, including the undercarriage and mechanical rebuilds of the original 330cid/310hp V8 and the transmission. Power steering, power softtop, Soft Ray windshield, AM radio, bucket seats, console and factory tachometer. Included with the car are the original build sheet found under the rear passenger bench seat during the restoration, listing the B09 Police Apprehender-Pursuit package, the original Protect-O-Plate, original owner's manual and Oldsmobile History Center production information.

And the vin #824M1876401

 

type in "Its baaaack" into search engine for more info on this car.
it also sold at BJ a little while ago for 38k.

also, type in 64 tahitian yellow vert.

 

Where is the window sticker or the build sheet? Seller has to be a total flake.

 

Interesting that it's listed as being front-wheel drive. I wonder if it had the ultra-rare pre-production '66 Toronado drivetrain package?

 

That would make it more rare than an automatic 442...

 

Yeah, I noticed that too...LOL

 

It looks like the notorious yellow automatic 1964 Faux Four Two actually sold at Mecum last week. $25,300 selling price. That's a loooong way from the $70K-$80K asking prices from prior attempted sales. Interestingly, the Dec 2017 ebay auction was reserve not met at $43,888 (assuming that was a real bid and not a shill).

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-Oldsmo...p2047675.l2557

 

It's at this weekend's Mecum, in Kansas City.

https://www.mecum.com/lots/KM0318-32...s-convertible/

 

Wow, like a bad burrito this thing just keeps coming back.

Allegedly sold for $25K at Mecum L.A. Perhaps it didn't really sell when the buyer found out it was BS?

 

Curious to know what the story is about the last sale and to see what it brings this time.

 

I love how you guys have the goods on these imposters, and I love the moniker you've assigned to this one: Faux-Four-Two. Brilliant!

 

Joe is right. It's past infamous onto notorious. It may well hit legendary some day.

 

at 25k now it's getting down to not a bad price for a nice cutlass conv.for what it would cost to restore one,it would almost be worth buying and just drive.

 

Agreed. At the high end but not stupid money for a nice 1964 Cutlass convertible. Still a long way from the nearly $70K asking price from the dealer 6-7 years ago. Interestingly, the claims in the ads for this car keep getting walked back. Originally it was a "fully documented" automatic trans 442, a "special order" car (naturally... ). Of course, the alleged window sticker shown at that time was carefully torn with key pieces missing. There was also some BS notarized letter from 2011 by a prior owner certifying the car as original - like THAT was proof. Subsequent ads dropped the claim that it was a 442 (despite the emblems on the car) but did claim it was a "B09 car", which was still a lie. Now it just says "Police Apprehender-Pursuit Package", whatever that mean, and photos of the window sticker are long gone.

 

This is what happens when people are just smart enough to be dangerous.

The fraudster knew what he needed to do to make the documentation murky but plausible, enough to dupe someone but not actually lie on the documents, but he wasn't smart enough to know that other people know what to look for, and can figure out that supposedly random damage is actually careful doctoring.

 

$26400 makes it a very nice car for someone. Hopefully they will remove those 442 emblems.

 

if it was me i would dig up a 4 spd set up and change it over.sell the console and shifter to offset the cost then you would have an easier time passing it off as a real 442.

 

Only if you have larceny in your heart. Besides, the parts required to make a legit-looking 4-4-2/4-gear would be a lot spendier than the money you could realize from selling the Jetaway/console/shifter combo.

 

I wonder if the $1,100 increase from L.A. even covers the costs of trucking the car to KC and the listing fees.

 

I'm assuming his point is that the car would bring a much higher price at the next Mecum auction...

 

joe i think with the notariety of this car even a 4 spd conversion wouldn't help it at mecum or B-J.

 

Have you seen the people with more money than brains at these auctions?

 

I've seen this phrase a lot, but I've never seen any quantification. How much money equals one brain?

 

Only quantum physics, some calculus and mass quantities of cervezas can have a shot at solving that dynamic equation.
There is some quantity of energy proportional in magnitude but very very little.
This can not be a total linear equation with the number of variables to solve for. Only a hypothesis...gah!

Translation...unsolvable. But if you'd like a crack at it solve for x...

x can be any of the following:
1. A Chevy guy with a large wad of 100s in the pocket at or just prior to impulse buy.
2. lack of common sense (It cant be taught).
3. (rubbing?) alcohol intake.
4. glue sniffing concentration and duration (PPB).
5. geographical location (no elaboration offered, use your imagination, (d²y/
dx² which is a second derivative or derivative of a derivative...got it?).
6. # of ex-wives.
7. # of kids.
8. # of garages.
9. # of screwdrivers.
10. # of dull screwdrivers.
11. # of left-hand screwdrivers, muffler bearing pullers and hammers.
12. No tool organization.
13. No tools (a blessing?)
14. impulse decision with zero homework(see #1)
15. IQ number or lack thereof...145 IQ doesn't mean smart.
16. IQ number of 20 doesn't mean dumb it just means 125 shy of 145.

As for "Qualifications", well that will likely get me banned from this site...lol!

disclaimer: For humor only no animals were harmed brainstorming this equation.

 

number 13.is one that used to bug the heck out of my dad.these people with more money then brains would go buy a car and they knew absolutely nothing about em,but they were pretty to drive around with their little british driving cap.so they could be the center of attention "HEY look at me".had one of em bring in his 65 red mustang convertible one day and we had to change the oil.we had in ground single post hoists,so i set the lift pads on the front "frame rails" and the rear leaf springs in front of the tires.start to lift and just hear this crunching sound and i go back and look and it was shoving the front spring perch thru the floor it was so rusty.i let it back down and told him no way i was getting under that car.he left pissed,never said a word and never came back again,guess i pissed him off.

 

I had a similar thing happen when I was a teen working at Midas in the late 70's. We had 2 post lifts with separate controls. Anyway, went to lift an old Rambler American and the car started to creak and crackle, stopped and looked underneath and the car was about 3 car washes away from washing down the drain. Told him he needed more than a new muffler.

 

On the 64 Cutlass I would buy it and install a 4 spd. Most 4 spd never made it long so not having the correct one would be OK. Not the right sway bar either. The 64-65 boxed arms were never boxed all the way not like the 66 and newer.

 

Would that make it a 4-4-2?

 

I noticed that too. Swaybar didn't look right -- looked like it was hanging a little low.