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Hi everyone, I'm new here so hopefully I'm doing things correctly. My wife and I recently purchased a 1969 Olds 442. We purchased it from the original owner and it is a numbers matching car. I thought it was a little odd that the transmission was a 3 speed that I was not very familiar with. After plenty of research I am now very familiar with the "Dearborn" (Ford 3.03 top loader). I have had the transmission out of the car for an input shaft bearing replacement an was able to verify the VIN stamped on the tail housing. I have heard mixed reviews on the number of these cars produced with this transmission (no A/C). As far as performance, I don't really want to get into the ups and downs of this transmission but I can tell you for sure that this car runs like a bat out of hell and this tranny is bulletproof. Does anyone know the true production numbers of this configuration and if so where to find the documentation to back it up? There are pictures of the car and the transmission in my album. Thank you in advance.
The Dearborn (don't call it a Ford) toploader three speed was the base transmission in the 442 from mid-1965 through the 1969 model year. This was the HD three speed also offered in other Oldsmobiles and Buick and Pontiacs. The trans is a Ford toploader three speed except that it uses a GM spline input shaft. The gearing is actually pretty well suited for the BBO and these cars.
And the big reason for the "Dearborn " three speed was insurance .
Insurance companies discovered that "youthful" (under 25 ) drivers with four speed equipped cars were involved in disproportionate number of accidents .
Insurance on a 400 CI car with a 4 speed , for an under 25 driver was often more than the car payment by 1969 .
Ask me how I know , I was there .
This also contributed to the popularity of 350 CI cars . Such as the " Ramrod " and the W-31 .
Insurance was cheaper for them too .
And the big reason for the "Dearborn " three speed was insurance .
Insurance companies discovered that "youthful" (under 25 ) drivers with four speed equipped cars were involved in disproportionate number of accidents .
Insurance on a 400 CI car with a 4 speed , for an under 25 driver was often more than the car payment by 1969 .
Ask me how I know , I was there .
This also contributed to the popularity of 350 CI cars . Such as the " Ramrod " and the W-31 .
Insurance was cheaper for them too .
You are correct about the insurance company pricing, but the reality is that the three speed manual (in column shifted form) was the base transmission in the F-85/Cutlass line from 1961 through the 1980 model year. The three speed floor shifted MT was base equipment in 1981. The three speed manual column shift was even base equipment in the Eighty Eight line through the 1971 model year.
Insurance on a 400 CI car with a 4 speed , for an under 25 driver was often more than the car payment by 1969. Ask me how I know , I was there.
I'm right there w/ you. The purchase price of my used (17K miles) 1967 442 in 1969 was $1,695. My insurance (I was 16 yo) per year cost me as much as the entire car I believe!
Bottom line- keep your 3 speed. Don't change a thing. You have something rare and interesting and it works well. Don't become just like every other Cutlass out there.
Thanks everyone for the information. The 3 speed is definitely staying in the car. It's in excellent shape and I love the power this car has. droldsmorland, here are a few pics.
You are correct about the insurance company pricing, but the reality is that the three speed manual (in column shifted form) was the base transmission in the F-85/Cutlass line from 1961 through the 1980 model year. The three speed floor shifted MT was base equipment in 1981. The three speed manual column shift was even base equipment in the Eighty Eight line through the 1971 model year.
The 3 speeds on the column weren't Dearborn units, more like early Chevy units no synchro's in first gear and very light but, Pontiac, Buick and Oldsmobile used the Dearborn unit on their performance cars. Believe Chevy used a heavy duty unit made by GM after 67, not sure on earlier models.
The Dearborn (don't call it a Ford) toploader three speed was the base transmission in the 442 from mid-1965 through the 1969 model year. This was the HD three speed also offered in other Oldsmobiles and Buick and Pontiacs. The trans is a Ford toploader three speed except that it uses a GM spline input shaft. The gearing is actually pretty well suited for the BBO and these cars.
The 3 speeds on the column weren't Dearborn units, more like early Chevy units no synchro's in first gear and very light but, Pontiac, Buick and Oldsmobile used the Dearborn unit on their performance cars. Believe Chevy used a heavy duty unit made by GM after 67, not sure on earlier models.
Nice 69
Regards,
They used the 3 on the tree Phord trans in 442's in 65 & 66 but was discontinued for 67. If you ordered a 3 speed mounted floor shift in a Cutlass 65-69, it came with the Phord trans,no shifters available for the Saginaw 3 speed.
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The 3 speeds on the column weren't Dearborn units, more like early Chevy units no synchro's in first gear and very light but, Pontiac, Buick and Oldsmobile used the Dearborn unit on their performance cars. Believe Chevy used a heavy duty unit made by GM after 67, not sure on earlier models.
Nice 69
Regards,
I never said that the column shifted 3 spd was a Dearborn unit. I was addressing the apparent surprise about thee speed manual transmissions and pointing out that the 3 speed manual trans was the base trans in the Cutlass line for decades. The Dearborn was the HD three speed in the A-body cars through the 1969 model year; the Muncie 3 spd replaced it in the 1970 model yeaer. And FYI, the three speed Dearborn with COLUMN shifter was the base trans in the Eighty Eight line through the 1971 model year.
I never said that the column shifted 3 spd was a Dearborn unit. I was addressing the apparent surprise about thee speed manual transmissions and pointing out that the 3 speed manual trans was the base trans in the Cutlass line for decades. The Dearborn was the HD three speed in the A-body cars through the 1969 model year; the Muncie 3 spd replaced it in the 1970 model yeaer. And FYI, the three speed Dearborn with COLUMN shifter was the base trans in the Eighty Eight line through the 1971 model year.
Hi again,
Sorry I missed the 88 line, thought you were referring to A-bodies, and have never seen a 3 speed column shifted 442 or other hi performance car. All the V6 and smaller V8s got the light duty 3 speed trans I was referring to similar to one found in a 55 Chevy.
I imagine fullsize required the heavier duty trans due to weight and most consumers wanted a synchronized transmission. I know early Buicks used a T89 on the early 60's.
Beautiful car, a 4spd conversion is a simple (but expensive) parts swap that can be swapped back in a weekend. I prefer a 4spd over the 3spd.
The 3 speed floor shift hole is in a different location than the 4 speed. In 66/67 the cowl tag code for the speed floor hole was 2B and the 4 speed hole was 2L. I assume it's the same for 68/69.
I am a little late to the party but I thought I would add my 2 cents worth. This is a picture of the HD 3 speed in my 69 442 convertible. It has the vin number stamped in the side.
The 3 speed Phord unit uses a different bolt pattern on the bellhousing. If you notice,there's 2 different bolt patterns on the bellhousing.. Also,the trans is somewhat rotated because of this.
Beautiful car, a 4spd conversion is a simple (but expensive) parts swap that can be swapped back in a weekend. I prefer a 4spd over the 3spd.
I am considering purchasing a 66 Cutlass that has a 3 speed but would want to convert it to a 4 speed. I have a Muncie with a shifter. Could you please clarify expensive for me ? Is it likely the shifter will work in the factory hole ?
The true reason for using the Ford-built transmission was: GM didn't have a passenger car 3-speed that would live behind a big-inch BOP engine or in a heavy full-size BOP car for very long. No more BOP cars than were ordered as 3-speeds it made more economic sense to buy the Ford unit (which would live behind anything) than to engineer and build one in-house.
Your car, your money and time, but a car is never as interesting or valuable as it is the way it was built. Just save the stuff you remove. Better yet find a car that's a factory built four speed.
I am considering purchasing a 66 Cutlass that has a 3 speed but would want to convert it to a 4 speed. I have a Muncie with a shifter. Could you please clarify expensive for me ? Is it likely the shifter will work in the factory hole ?
Thanks
The shifter hole is a little different between 3 & 4 speed. The cowl tag will have a 2L for the 4 speed and 2B for the 3 speed. I think it will work but is a little tight against one side.
Auto to manual conversion typically falls in the 2500-5K range labor not included nor machining the crank and associated engine disassembly(MAWs).
You have most of what's needed, pedals, crank pilot hole, bell crank, driveshaft, bell, flywheel, other misc etc.... Cheaper than that is the answer. Thou a fresh Muncie and Hurst shifter can run all of that if you want period correct.
Auto to manual conversion typically falls in the 2500-5K range labor not included nor machining the crank and associated engine disassembly(MAWs).
You have most of what's needed, pedals, crank pilot hole, bell crank, driveshaft, bell, flywheel, other misc etc.... Cheaper than that is the answer. Thou a fresh Muncie and Hurst shifter can run all of that if you want period correct.
Yeah, I have a 69 442 convertible with the three speed on the floor. It also has a TikTok tachometer. I also have a 1971 442 vert standard three speed transmission on the floor. I bought both cars here locally back in 1990 and the other back in 2002. So I know the 71 is a Muncie? And fully synchronized? Is the 69 three speed synchronized?
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Yeah, I have a 69 442 convertible with the three speed on the floor. It also has a TikTok tachometer. I also have a 1971 442 vert standard three speed transmission on the floor. I bought both cars here locally back in 1990 and the other back in 2002. So I know the 71 is a Muncie? And fully synchronized? Is the 69 three speed synchronized?
The 69 3 speed would be a Phord Toploader and is fully synchronized.
The 3 speeds on the column weren't Dearborn units, more like early Chevy units no synchro's in first gear and very light but, Pontiac, Buick and Oldsmobile used the Dearborn unit on their performance cars. Believe Chevy used a heavy duty unit made by GM after 67, not sure on earlier models.
Nice 69
Regards,
65 & 66 442's were available with a three speed on the column & were Phord Dearborn's. The big cars had them too on the column. The three speed column shifts on the 442 models was discontinued for 67.
65 & 66 442's were available with a three speed on the column & were Phord Dearborn's. The big cars had them too on the column. The three speed column shifts on the 442 models was discontinued for 67.
^^^THIS! Mike is spot-on. The Dearborn trans with column shifter was the base equipment trans in the Delta 88 line through the 1971 model year. I'm betting that you can count the number of those 1971s built on your fingers.
In the 60's and 70's the only reason that stick shift 88's were offered was to get a lower base price.
They all had to be special ordered.
Dealers were not allowed to order a stick shift for dealer stock.
