The Clubhouse Place to chat about whatever's on your mind - doesn't have to be car related. NO POLITICS OR RELIGIOUS DISCUSSION ALLOWED.

Inside Baseball

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Oct 30, 2016 | 10:18 AM
  #1  
jaunty75's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 15,192
From: southeastern Michigan
Inside Baseball

OK, sports types, the statistic is that only five times in the history of the World Series has a team come back from a 3-1 deficit with the last being the 1985 Kansas City Royals. Prior to 2016, there have been 111 World Series. So that would make that number 5 appear to be a pretty low percentage (5/111 = 4.5%)

But this is really the wrong question. What we need to know is, how many World Series REACHED the 3-1 mark? Five out of that number would be a more accurate representation of the challenge faced by the Cubs, and the percentage is certainly higher as not all World Series get to the 3-1 mark.

A little internet searching has turned up the answer. But the relevant statistics don't go back to the first World Series. Rather, they go back to the 1925 Series, which is the first one that followed the 2-3-2 format. There were also two World War II Series that didn't follow this format. The '43 Series, between the St. Louis Cardinals and the New York Yankees, had a 3-4 format and was done that way because of World War II travel restrictions. This format required only one travel day instead of two. The '44 Series featured the St. Louis Cardinals vs the St. Louis Browns, and both teams shared the same home field, Sportsman's Park. All six games of that series, which was won by the Cardinals 4-2, were played in the same stadium.

From the above, we calculate that there have been 89 World Series that have followed the 2-3-2 format. Of that, 34 teams fell behind 3 games to 1, and, as noted earlier, five of those teams won the series. So that percentage is 5/34 = about 15%. A tough row to hoe for Chicago, but anything is possible.

Other statistics of interest regarding 3-1 World Series:

1. The Cubs would have to win the last two games on the road. The last time that happened was in the 1979 Series where the Pirates defeated the Orioles in a situation just like the current one. The Pirates, down 3 games to 1, won game 5 at home and then games 6 and 7 on the road at Baltimore. Since 1979, eight teams have gained a 3-1 lead AND had the final two games at home, the situation the Indians face now, and all eight ended up winning the Series.

2, Besides the '85 Royals and the '79 Pirates, the other three teams to come back from a 3-1 deficit were the '68 Detroit Tigers against the St. Louis Cardinals, and the Tigers had to win the last two at St. Louis, the 1958 Yankees against the Milwaukee Braves, and the Yankees had to win the last two at Milwaukee, and the 1925 Pirates over the Washington Senators, but the Pirates won their last two games at home.

3. Of those 34 teams that gained a 3-1 lead, 18 have gone on to win the Series in the very next game. In the other 16 situations, the trailing team forced a game 6. In nine of those 16 situations, the leading team finished things off in game 6. In the seven situations where a game 7 was forced, the TRAILING team won game 7 five times. Chicago is trying to become the sixth team to do this.
Old Oct 30, 2016 | 11:33 AM
  #2  
RetroRanger's Avatar
72 Olds CS
 
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 6,657
Interesting data jaunty. I will boil it down to this

Unless the Cubs find their bats....they're done
Old Oct 30, 2016 | 02:01 PM
  #3  
jozw30's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 697
From: Phoenix, AZ
Go TRIBE!
Old Oct 30, 2016 | 02:22 PM
  #4  
ignachuck's Avatar
Frank Ignachuck
 
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 1,302
From: Maynard, Massachusetts
Originally Posted by jozw30
Go TRIBE!
^^^^ Rooting for Terry Francona. Sox should never have let him go. He stopped into my son's room at Children's Hospital in Boston at Christmas to wish him well. Lasting impression.
Old Nov 1, 2016 | 08:40 PM
  #5  
RetroRanger's Avatar
72 Olds CS
 
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 6,657
Cubs even the series 3-3 w a blow out win in Cleveland!!
Old Nov 1, 2016 | 09:18 PM
  #6  
svnt442's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 4,293
From: Palm Bay, FL


That is all.

GO CUBS GO!!!!
Attached Images
File Type: jpg
10 w's.jpg (30.6 KB, 71 views)
Old Nov 1, 2016 | 09:34 PM
  #7  
nsnarsk65cutlass's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 979
From: Grass Valley Ca
Originally Posted by svnt442


That is all.

GO CUBS GO!!!!
I like it.
Old Nov 2, 2016 | 06:29 AM
  #8  
jaunty75's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 15,192
From: southeastern Michigan
You forgot three of these:




As Yogi Berra said, it isn't over until it's over.
Old Nov 3, 2016 | 12:26 AM
  #9  
nsnarsk65cutlass's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 979
From: Grass Valley Ca
Oh its over.
Old Nov 3, 2016 | 04:45 AM
  #10  
rcktdoc's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 2,494
From: Northern IL
It's over CUBS WIN
Old Nov 3, 2016 | 06:42 AM
  #11  
jaunty75's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 15,192
From: southeastern Michigan
Congrats to the Cubs. Well-deserved. Ends a 108-year drought. I'm glad the Indians didn't roll over but made 'em earn it in extra innings.
Old Nov 3, 2016 | 08:22 AM
  #12  
svnt442's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 4,293
From: Palm Bay, FL



Last edited by svnt442; Nov 3, 2016 at 08:28 AM.
Old Nov 3, 2016 | 02:33 PM
  #13  
RetroRanger's Avatar
72 Olds CS
 
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 6,657
Not gonna lie I couldn't stay awake went to bed at the top of the ninth, when it was tied 6-6.... First thing this morning tho I checked to see who won!
Old Nov 4, 2016 | 07:49 AM
  #14  
Local Hero's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 240
From: Northcoast, Cleveland, OH
Living and working in Cleveland, it was a fun ride... a disappointing finish but a great season nonetheless. I sensed the momentum shifting when the Cubs won game five. I knew we HAD to win game six because we really couldn't afford to have to play a game seven.

Fans here need to remember that the Cavs lost in the finals last year before coming back and winning this year... after being down 3-1 as well.

Our motto "Wait 'til next year." It seems appropriate with ALL of Cleveland sports.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
SuperNovass
Parts For Sale
0
Dec 7, 2015 10:47 AM
SuperNovass
Parts For Sale
4
Nov 26, 2015 05:19 AM
Olds Dad
The Clubhouse
5
Oct 3, 2011 05:18 PM
VikingBlue
General Discussion
24
Mar 25, 2011 08:01 PM
Jamesbo
The Clubhouse
5
Feb 10, 2009 04:21 PM




All times are GMT -7. The time now is 03:44 AM.