Steel can be sold cheaper when you pay your workers $2-$5 a day.

 

Exorbitant taxes.

 

Both the fact that their labour is cheaper and they are subsidized by getting tax breaks from the Indian gov. Kinda like the deal Kia and hyunda get in the U.S. The states they are in give them big bucks to come in and set up shop.

 

Kinda stupid. tax the pizz out of domestic corporations until they move out, and subsidize foreign ones. I would think they would wake up at some time.

 

Whou, just got back from Baby-sitting, I'm wore out! He's crawling and I crawl with him. My "Kids" r, Son, 32 & never married, a teacher outside Charlotte, NC, Daughter 29, Lawyer married to a Lawyer. I tell her when she puts me into the Nursing Home get me a window view and tell them DNR so there will be more $ in the estate. She said, "OK but if the window view is extra she will hang a picture of the outdoors, I won't know the difference." I was a little young to be a Grandpa, 58. I have a old Ford 8N (were the same age) with a front loader/ box-blade/6' rake and a Kubota 4wd 1750 with a backhoe and loader. I have enough equipment to get me into trouble. I love my place. I enjoyed my job and I was conditioned to work 7 days a week. I almost feel quilty saying this but I don't know if I want to work anymore. Time will tell what happens. I"ll probably be out Canfield as long as it don't rain. I should round up some parts but I don't want to put up with the BS. I use to have a spot out there. I'll go and look around and drink a few beers with some friends. Nobody has any extra $ around here. Good luck, talk to u-all later, Ken

 

India does not charge there steel mills the taxes we do cause they are happy putting people to work. they have over a billion people now so they pay emplotees less and charge employer less taxes = cheap steel. We just need to add tarrifs on imported steel so it would level the playing field , especially when mills are closing down in north America.

 

That is exactly my point. Kill corperate/income taxes, business move in...and HIRE PEOPLE. suddenly there is a shortage of manpower. voala higher wages, better Bennie packages, more people with money to spend, higher sales tax revenues. All without punishing production. check out fairtax.com Would fix this fubar fast without the govt spending trillions wastefully. We dont need a hand out, or even help. we need to get the monkey off our back, run lighter and more compettatively, and we would be back on top, dragging the rest of the world kicking and screamming into the light with us.

 

If the Government ends up owning the banks, the domestic auto manufactures, and succeeds in nationalizing health care, well, you do the math!! - they are closer to the goal they have had for the past 60 years - they are starving the middle and upper middle class into submission - when the second wave of this crisis hits (and there will be a second wave with the way they are handling things) people will be willing to do anything to survive, even it means working for the Government - don't mean to sound paranoid but be prepared to get out your Mao Tse Tung uniforms and be obedient to your leaders!!! - oh, and watch them open up every operation that they closed with the EPA in this country - they will once again take global control of those industries - the U.S. will flourish, but the working man will be working to support the needy and elite!!! - more than we are now!!
Something else I just learned the other day in talking to a representative of Chase bank - the Government made every bank take bailout money whether they needed it or not - Chase, which is one of the strongest banks in America, was made to take over 28 billion dollars and is making 1 million dollar a month interest payments on money it does not need - they cannot give it back until the Government has done due diligence on them and are assured they are strong - if every strong bank was made to do this, it seems to me that it would burden them during a time when returns are minimal and/or non-existent and force some smaller "strong" banks into failure - coincience or a well thought out plan? - down right scary sh*t if you ask me!!!

 

Been watching that for a while. If you have XM listen to ch121, 128, 165, 166. You can usually stay on top of what is happening as it is happening. Scary stuff. I haven heard anything about the give act lately, but those uniforms may actually become a reality.

 

Well, they already have the middle class where they want them - I know good hard working people who have not worked or worked very little for the past year - they are barely hanging on and were doing very well before this BS happened - now they are going after the upper middle class - the "Joe Plumbers" so to speak - small businesses that were not wise enough to keep there debt low during the good times are going to fail - pure and simple - no bailout money for them!! - it will be survival of the fittest for awhile until the second wave hits - it will take out alot of what is left standing - don't mean to sound so negative, but their motives have been very clear IMO - if they don't succeed this time in total control, they will have enough control to eventually seal the deal - the way the media covered the Tea Parties further showed thier overall intent!!

 

That's me. Believe me we have been FEELING it. Last year this time we were flush, and as busy as I could handle. We were half azzedly talking about expanding, but had poor luck with previous hires, so opted to stay small. In retrospect.... It could have helped, or made the pinch worse. Still hard to say. We are still paying our bills, but things have to pic up soon, or we got some serious problems coming...fast. Seems to me if we quit pandering to haters/class envy snivelers, and start getting down to the business of taking care of buisness we could dig our way out of this problem. No two people are exactly alike. It seems foolish to me to expect equal results from UNequal input. Right now too many ppl think that they are entitled to the fruits of someone elses labor/ideas/ or shear good luck just because they breath. One of the seven deadly sins was envy, the other that comes to mind is sloth. If we are to recover from this mess I think we should look into consumption, as opposed to production for tax revenues. we would ORGANICLY raise the standard of living for the lower, and middle income earners, instead of pulling everyone down into the gutter. Just MHO.

 

Right now a persons biggest enemy is debt - if the Government ends up with the banks, anything you own that you own money on will directly be the possession of the Government - I'm a small business owner myself - I have eliminated all of my business debt and only owe money on one of five real estate peices - I'm only doing business with people that I know are secure and I'm moving my liquid assets into banks with the highest ratings - we are doing ALOT less business than in the past, but it is keeping my working capital in my hand - I'm no financial advisor, but everyone should be doing a simular thing IMO - I truely feel that there will be a second wave to this mess that is going to wipe out ALOT of people - I hope I'm wrong, but that is the premise that I am moving forward on!!!

 

I was trying to get there, but had a rash of mechanical issues, and end up needing a piece of equipment in a hurry. Did not have time to dig deep enough to feel safe picking up a used truck again. I wish I had bought new in the first place, or one I could have paid cash for. It would not have hurt us near as bad as it had. Found Dave Ramsey too late. Oh well, now we are just trying to hang on, avoiding brokers as much as possible. Housing seems to be gaining some ground, so that should help. What do you do?

 

I doubt that the gov. wants anything to do with the banks except make sure that they use the money they got to go to the small buisnesses. as we have seen they lie , cheat and steal and now that they have some oversight they are hiking up creditcards and addingcharges unfairly. One good example is double monthly billing. The banks don't need a gov. to run them but if they had a little more oversight maybe they would not have ended up in the predicimant that they did. canadian banks were not allowed to play russian roulette with with folks life savings and future retirement funds and after the collapse they came out unscathed.Greed got them into this mess and hopefully common sense by all involved will bring about a stronger more secure bank system that is still independant. I am 51 and can't remember a day without healthcare and it's not so bad , the uniforms are pretty cool these days and most of us like the mandatory implants in our brains

 

Funny... I can't remember a day without health care either? The Cleveland Clinic and University Hospitals major business is people from Canada that want diagnosis, transplants, treatments or surgery in a timely fashion, like before they die or are permanently disabled. So it's real good for the local economy here.

 

Cash till the crash we say in my biz. Gold, silver and cash will be king soon enough. Then we get the funny money the gov will print. It will be even funnier than what you have in your wallet now. The fact our money is a fiat currency like all others is troubling. Hike inflation and your savings/retirement go by by. Call your reps it is your Duty!

 

....I doubt that the gov. wants anything to do with the banks....

I hope your are right, but right now, I don't trust what is going on - I'm going to continue to CMA!! - I for one, do not want ANYTHING from the Government - I will pay my fair share of taxes and in return I want good roads and infrastructure and that is it - nothing else - I would prefer to take care of myself!!!

 

Conservative governments have continually cut funding for hospitals to the point where I have to wait 3-6 months to get an MRI , unless I want to pay for it then I could get one next week. Most of our doctors that have specialized are working in the statesfor the big bucks , can't blame them it's always nice to be a multi-millionaire. My brother lives in California and had to wait 8 months for the insurance company to approve his shoulder surgery?? after that it only took 2 weeks. I had my elbow done in 4 months and my knee done in 3. As far as my neck I am seeing the 1 neurosurgeon who does all of them in the province so it could take a year. Insurance is paying for all my time off and all medical bills are covered by gov. Why do so many Americans go to India and Singapore and places like that to have major sugery? Costs way way way less. America spends more than any country per capita on health care. Medicare and medicaide and insurance companies as well as health professionals are at the table this time around cause they know things are not working . The costs are too high for everyone. My insurance cost me 36 bucks a month , my brother paid almost 1,000. Wealthy canadians go to India and other places as well if the want it done right away. me I can wait. This most recent conservative government started with 100 billion surplus and made promises to improve health but instead gave it away to rich oil companies and other of their buddies and even before the recent crash were 50 billion in the red. 1 province benefited Alberta but there are people from as far away as NFLD working there cause work has decreased in the maritimes. That was another promise broken. So my option is to not pay taxes to ****** I don't trust. I renewed my late fathers Black River Organic Farm buisness and will try to go it on my own for awhile. We used to be the model for the world buy france has the best system and sweden ,Iceland germany are all better cause the gov. does what the people want. Imagine that doing the will of the people?/ Our govs. do the will of the big buisness , banks , wall street.etc. There is a better way I just hope you guys find it in the end and maybe up here will improve , like it used to be.

 

The markets and banks collapse has said bye-bye to people's retirement . the only hope is that they recover quickly enough for some people. It will get there again but may take a few years. takes time to build that house of cards.

 

Our health care is one of the best in the world - the reason it is so high is because we need TORT reform and we need the population to get healthier - over have of Americans are either overweight or obese - both contribute to a whole host of health problems - people are missinformed when they look at the world rankings on health care - it is not a ranking of how good it is but how much it cost per person - you don't see too many overweight French people and that is why their health care is ranked toward the top - if any American doctor screws up and someone dies as the result of his mistake, there is no limit to how much the patients family can sue for - if there were limits set on malpractice suits it would lower our health care immensely - but when the laws are made by Attorneys, there is not much chance of that happening - instead they want to nationalize it - not!! - have you ever seen anything that the Government is good at other than taking our money and pis*ing it away!!

 

Yamm, you hit the nail on the head. When an uninsured illegal immigrant (to use the most egregious example) goes into one of America"s emergency rooms, he cannot be denied care. Now once in, the Docs have to run every concievable test on him to cover their *** in case they miss somethig and he decides to sue. Tort reform: Wherein the person who brings the suit pays all the attorney fees incurred by both sides if he should lose. If you have nothing to lose (aka pro bono) you sue. Hoping for that big payday. Forget about having our court system changed though, all the congresscreeps are attorneys or are in their pocket. Ain't gonna happen. Too bad.

 

If you want the govt to do what you want, you first have to do it for your self, be willing to fail from time to time, and then cut it (govt) down to nothing, or near to it. They have been allowed to slowly take control of our lives and it is accelerating at a terrifying pace now.

 

Carefull how you present that, cause some people like to think that is racisim ILLEGAL being the operative word. Regardless of race. Gotta love the health care tourism as James Dellinpole calls it

 

Guys - I just have a few more things to add - America is and always has been the greatest country in the world - any other country in the world that has risen to any level, has been the direct or indirect result of America's efforts, money, blood, and/or lives - I feel that our "America" as we have known it, is at risk - this forum and our classic cars are enjoyed as the direct result of our fore fathers that gave their lives so we could enjoy the freedoms we currently enjoy - DON'T LET THEM DIE IN VAIN - the time is now to do whatever it takes = letters to your congress men, Tea Party's, whatever it takes to hold on to the "America" we know and love!!! - I hope I am not getting too political here, as I would hate to be booted off (haven't been here that long) but I just wanted to put on this last rant to this thread - I love America, I love Oldsmobiles, and I love this site - God Bless!!!

 

Personal opinion...I'm with you brother! Next election is next year, I just hope it isn't too late!

 

very well said! and yes, may God continue to bless this awesome country.

 

there are a lot of problems with health care and one of those is obesity which now leads in cases causing death and of course costs to the health care industry. It used to be smoking and up here it is why gov. defended excessive taxes , pack of 25 here is around $10.00.So now that obesity is the leading cause are they going to tax junkfood and places like MacDonald's? The facts seem to support that families have more 2 parent homes where both work and there are far more single parent families where they work. but the problem does not just end there cause a lot of poor single parent kids do not eat right because the only grocery stores with proper foods are to far away especially if the single parent has no vehicle. This is common in many inner cities. Their choices are burger or fast food places or just convenience stores that do not carry fresh veggies and other foods necessary for a proper diet. #2 issue are the insurance costs for docters and hospitals because of huge settlements when screwups occur. there are 2 ways to solve that , one would be to limit the amount for settlements and second would be to update medical records so they are available to all doctors and hospitals upon request. Insurance costs to individuals and companies would come down if these were put into effect. That would help large companies compete more easily and smaller companies could offer health care.

 

If we think heath care is expenve now just wait until its free.

 

Well like they say there are 2 things you can't avoid , death and taxes. Though it seems lots of people been doing a pretty good job of avoiding taxes according to the IRS

 

I watched an interview that CNN did over the phone with a guy who owes over 10,000,000.00 and he admitted that he had not filed for at least 10-15 years cause he thinks maybe he has an illness. Just can't bring himself to filling out that paperwork Maybe someone should tell him there are people who will do that for you , like your accountants. Reminds me I have to do mine , is all ready to do over the phone. I find that real easy. Even if I did not feel like doing it I could just send in the form with my t4's and bills plus what I can claim and they will do it for me. I have done that before and they sent me back way more than I thought I was getting Ours is due at the end of the month so I got a little time yet.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWt8h...layer_embedded

 

Right on Jamsbo, thats like me cutting out a fifth of good irish whisky a month. What a joke

 

Makes you wonder how much more foolishness we will have to endure, and pay for, before anyone wakes up. Good find Jamesbo. I wish more people were paying attention 7 months ago or so.

 

More like me throwing out a thimble full of potato Vodka every other decade.

Hey my wife's "Black Irish"

 

Your right my math is off and it would be a waste of good wisky

 

You may want to check up on some stats about which countries get better health care.Interesting don't you think,that you are the ONLY developed nation on earth that DOESN'T have universal health care??!! Yes,you have the Cleveland clinic...neat that most of their top Orthopedic surgeons are from Canada[left for higher pay and more operating room time]. For all those who are suffering through this economy and it's financial hardships and have medical issues as well, it's comforting to know that at least north of the border,trying to figure out how to pay the medical bills won't enter into the equation....derek

 

Gotta redo the math again and maybe throw out that fifth a month.17 billion in program cuts would I believe you can swipe a whole 50 cents from the table.

 

Interesting video. Too bad people aren't thanking Obama for taking a step in the right direction. Ner' sayers are just jumping on it because they wouldn't have done the same thing. $100 million is alot of money. It is more than about 95% of Americans make in their entire lifetime.

 

After wasting how many trillion$$$ now, with no end in site is the point of contention. Bush was spending like a drunken sailor, but this guy makes him look like Ebeneezer scrooge. That 100 mil is a drop in the bucket comparatively. Not that he shouldn't cut back, but this aint enough by a LONG shot. Personally I'm thinking publicity stunt in response to the tea parties, nothing more.

 

It's called personal responsibiity and nobody is denied healthcare, it's the law, ask the Mexicans.
Just because everybody else does something doesn't mean it's right.
Would you jump off a cliff if everybody else did?

Move here and become a citizen and vote if you don't like it, then you have the right to complain, otherwise its just foreign badmouthing and I don't like it.
Like it or not this is family.