maybe its the wrong section of the forum, but Oldsīs are quite rare (face it: very!) around here, so could you experts please check that link and esp. the pics and tell me, if that car is real (factory) or a clone..? e.g. did hurst ever do shifters like these in their cars..?

http://www.automobile-riekmann.at/ve...968_silber.htm

the title of the ad speaks for itself, so you can ignore the german description, i guess.
thank you.

 

I don't believe there were any 68 drop top H/O's. Zo, No, it's a clone of something that never existed, so it's really not even a clone.

 

thats what i also guessed, sad...
but at least now we have about 5 classic Oldsīs in my country...
or 4 and a half.

 

I feel it is very doubtful that this car is the real deal. Every H/O I've ever seen has had some type of floor shifter-not necessarily a Hurst shifter. In the mid 70's H/O came ''standard" with a "standard" bucket/console combo. Now, as to a '68 H/O conv.---If you watch any videos from the '68 N.H.R.A. Nationals at Indy you will see Miss Hurst riding on the platform attached to what appears to be a '68 H/O conv. I know there was 1 or 2 '69 H/O conv. made so there may well have been a real '68, too. I have never heard of it being found or anyone trying to document it's authenticity but that sure doesn't mean it didn't exist. After all if Demmer did NOT do it and Hurst DID wouldn't that make even more rare and desirable? Anyone out there know?

 

just like the fake 67 Hurst 442.

both are column shift

 

nice looking car the photo's show that there were 68 converts this one has the cutlass
on the front up to high to be like the one in the picture you cant read it but it is lower on the past photo. I still like it who ever built it didn't try to sell the h/o part too hard with all the emlems i would like to know if seller is a consigner or owner?

 

the seller is one of the few companies in austria, specializing in us-cars. where they get their cars from, i do not know.
sometimes they seem to have great deals, but then also they offer "things" like that...

 

Yep, nice attempt, but not real, column shift is a dead giveaway, after all, wouldn't make sense if there wasn't a Hurst shifter in a Hurst promotional product.
Thing about the 1968 H/O convert's is, I believe they were Gold with Black stripes instead of the standard Peruvian Silver, they were made for promotional duties and one or two are documented. Last I heard one is in Iowa being restored. Since Demmer was contracted by Hurst to do any modifications, I don't think Hurst did any on thier own, they needed an organization like Demmer who had the ability to modify the cars.
Note the picture attached, main focus is on the driver in the foreground, but I like the 1968 H/O convert in the backround with the people just lounging around on top of it.

 

might need some helper springs or air bags that shifter got her siting low in that shot

 

And further more, that car is a Cutlass 'S'...if it was real it would have started life as a 442 and therefore would not have any hood emblems as well as the Cutlass fender script... What is the VIN number? No dash wood and also wrong steering wheel...buckets? The original pics shows HO emblems on fenders but Cutlass on fake!!

 

All in All it's a beautiful car. Fake or not. Andy

 

i went there yesterday to see the car. it seems to be restored with a good sense of craftsmenship. but all in all, it is kinda fake or as jamesbo said: not even a clone.
and whats more disturbing is the fact, that they seem to insist in the real history of that car. plus the "loud" advertising (use babelfish to translate the german text). so little real us-cars around here and then sold so badly.. sad..

 

well there is a picture of a vert in the ad, but I guess you meant production, it has the hurst wheels on it and it "MAY" be legit, sorta like that 69 vert with the weird stuff that is reported as real? similar to the w-machine cars? just promos maybe?

 

also the steering wheel is waayyy off even for a 69 LOL... no 442 bumper which you can sorta see in the above pic, says hurst equipped not hurst olds... clearly marked cutlass s, not saying that hurst didn't do this as a PROMO...

 

Well, if that place is trying to pass it off as real then they are less than reputable and it would probably bring into question any other automobile they are offering. Unfortunately a big problem in the musclecar industry and I think over here in the states you can be prosecuted for knowingly passing off a car that is not legit.

 

Thanks Jeff,

You got more H/O pics than Carters got little liver pills.

 

Guess there's no sense mentioning a '68 LongTop Wagon H/O is there? LOL!

 

I like the way you did Your wagon Close but from what I can se no call outs and just like the vert in question looks nice and would be a cool car to own just dont try to **** on us and say its raining .

 

Aron, love that wagon as well, if I had the time, space, money, etc, etc.... I'd love to try one for a 1969 H/O wagon, think it would be a pretty cool creation.

 

The mothers vista wagon with the intro wheels is another really cool car . was in car craft a few years back if i remember right

 

IMHO

A 69 H/O wagon would be the only car you could see better out of the top than the front.