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Interesting. Originally juneau gray, not a common color that you typically see.
Washer bottle is on wrong side for an OAI car, unless it also had UHV ignition upgrade. Has power brakes which a W30 wouldn't, but the vacuum line is not factory, so the booster could have been added. The OAI hoses are not production line, they are the shinier vinyl that could have been later GM NOS or just something else. Gonna need some more investigation for serious buyers.
I saw that auction. Was looking at the pics. I didn't think '68 W30s had power brakes. The '68 SPEC book I looked at says power brakes and power disc brakes not available with W30 option.
Man, very cool find if its real..I have no idea if its real or not..One would think you wouldn’t order a w30 with a column shift automatic but who knows..I hope it is real and somebody does it justice..
Last edited by Andy; November 11th, 2021 at 03:45 PM.
So is a 68 w30 have to have the same documents as a 70 W car? Such as pop card, broadcast card stating w30, original invoice etc? Does the trans, rear and engine have serial numbers that match up like a 70 w30?
What are the experts opinion on this car? Is it more or less likely to be authentic w car? thoughts?
Man, the mice have really had their way with that interior.
I thought the exact same thing. Been home for years you can tell. I do dig that it is an unusual color. Cool car.
Originally Posted by Andy
You may be correct, it looks like a gto air breather..
My brother pointed that out to me. I have to give him props for that. Pretty sure Oldsmobile didn't use plastic zip ties either. Like I said. Cool car.
I thought the exact same thing. Been home for years you can tell. I do dig that it is an unusual color. Cool car.
My brother pointed that out to me. I have to give him props for that. Pretty sure Oldsmobile didn't use plastic zip ties either. Like I said. Cool car.
Its definitely not a 68 w30 breather, they were short rectangular snouts coming off the circular breather body , not tapered like this one..chrome lid on a w30, this is a painted lid, hell if thats incorrect I bet the whole car is simply a 442 made to resemble a w30 car..
Last edited by Andy; November 11th, 2021 at 04:03 PM.
I am always one to learn knowledge. Is that air cleaner set up correct for a 68 W car? Is that a GTO air cleaner?
Not trying to knock this car at all but seems like I have seen a few sketch cars go thru this dealer/site.
The air cleaner is not even close to correct for a 68 W car.
Originally Posted by Andy
So is a 68 w30 have to have the same documents as a 70 W car? Such as pop card, broadcast card stating w30, original invoice etc? Does the trans, rear and engine have serial numbers that match up like a 70 w30?
What are the experts opinion on this car? Is it more or less likely to be authentic w car? thoughts?
'68-69 W30s are difficult to prove. The Fisher body card was smaller than '70 and would likely indicate the W36 front fender stripe, which was an option on 442 and included with W30 (so it would point you in right direction but not be conclusive proof). It wouldn't have any reason to indicate W-30, as no other Fisher body modifications were required for the option (in '70, the stripes/fender emblem piercings were unique to the W-series cars). Finding a '68 broadcast card would be like winning the lottery.... I'm no expert, but I've only seen a picture of one and if I remember correctly, it didn't have the VIN or Fisher body tag number on it to match it with a car. If it came out of the car and matched the color, configuration, trim, etc... it's about as good as you get.
Having an automatic OW trans vin matched to the car is a definite sign. There are other hints (in terms of small details) that cars are original, but I'm hesitant to post those publicly as helpful hints for those that clone.
The air cleaner is not even close to correct for a 68 W car.
'68-69 W30s are difficult to prove. The Fisher body card was smaller than '70 and would likely indicate the W36 front fender stripe, which was an option on 442 and included with W30 (so it would point you in right direction but not be conclusive proof). It wouldn't have any reason to indicate W-30, as no other Fisher body modifications were required for the option (in '70, the stripes/fender emblem piercings were unique to the W-series cars). Finding a '68 broadcast card would be like winning the lottery.... I'm no expert, but I've only seen a picture of one and if I remember correctly, it didn't have the VIN or Fisher body tag number on it to match it with a car. If it came out of the car and matched the color, configuration, trim, etc... it's about as good as you get.
Having an automatic OW trans vin matched to the car is a definite sign. There are other hints (in terms of small details) that cars are original, but I'm hesitant to post those publicly as helpful hints for those that clone.
Completely understand your thoughts on not posting certain criteria on a 68 W car..i learned something from your post..Thank you
The air cleaner is not even close to correct for a 68 W car.
'68-69 W30s are difficult to prove. The Fisher body card was smaller than '70 and would likely indicate the W36 front fender stripe, which was an option on 442 and included with W30 (so it would point you in right direction but not be conclusive proof). It wouldn't have any reason to indicate W-30, as no other Fisher body modifications were required for the option (in '70, the stripes/fender emblem piercings were unique to the W-series cars). Finding a '68 broadcast card would be like winning the lottery.... I'm no expert, but I've only seen a picture of one and if I remember correctly, it didn't have the VIN or Fisher body tag number on it to match it with a car. If it came out of the car and matched the color, configuration, trim, etc... it's about as good as you get.
Having an automatic OW trans vin matched to the car is a definite sign. There are other hints (in terms of small details) that cars are original, but I'm hesitant to post those publicly as helpful hints for those that clone.
I'm pretty sure the 68 fenders were pierced for trim, and the W36 stripes added, in Lansing (an old Daveh memory). I'm 99% sure there is nothing on the Fisher Broadcast card that will identify a 68 as anything except a 442 (W29 option is on the Broadcast card for a 442). I assume this is because the trunk lid was punched for the 442 #'s at Fisher and the dash pinstripe was probably at Fisher too. Pretty much everything else was the same between a Cutlass S and a 442. If it had the Protecto-O-Plate it would have the engine code which would prove it was a W30 (QT- Auto, QU MT). I've never seen a 68 Lansing W30 build sheet that I believed was real, so even if it had one, I'd be skeptical. Sans other things like VVS paperwork or original dealer paperwork, there isn't much that can ID the car as a W30. As you say, that air cleaner base and duct work is definitely not 68 Olds. I see a few of the other subtle things that you see that would lead me to believe that it isn't a W30 as well.
FWIW this car is far from original. Besides the exterior color being wrong there's no dash pinstripe, the steering wheel is wrong, and the armrests are wrong, all of which would lead me to believe its an older restoration that someone added W parts to.
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I'm pretty sure the 68 fenders were pierced for trim, and the W36 stripes added, in Lansing (an old Daveh memory). I'm 99% sure there is nothing on the Fisher Broadcast card that will identify a 68 as anything except a 442 (W29 option is on the Broadcast card for a 442). I assume this is because the trunk lid was punched for the 442 #'s at Fisher and the dash pinstripe was probably at Fisher too.
Interesting point that would be neat to confirm. The H/O's did not use 442 fender emblems (or have to hide emblem piercings) and I've never seen anything indicating special handling for the fenders at Fisher. '68s are so weird compared to the later cars, was thinking about stripes in terms of how they were handled in '70. There are quite a few original cars missing the dash pinstripe, so whoever was supposed to put it on was pretty inconsistent.
I prefer a grille/bumper hoses OAI to the hood-down method of later years. I guess I really prefer the 66/67 chromed wonders with no heat pipe dashpots (or flapper) the most, were I to have to pick.
Interesting point that would be neat to confirm. The H/O's did not use 442 fender emblems (or have to hide emblem piercings) and I've never seen anything indicating special handling for the fenders at Fisher. '68s are so weird compared to the later cars, ............
my Chesrown '68 H/O has "Z-Z" in crayon/grease pencil on the inside of the original LH fender - i "ASSUMED" it was there to inform the line "NO-PIERCINGS" ????
my Chesrown '68 H/O has "Z-Z" in crayon/grease pencil on the inside of the original LH fender - i "ASSUMED" it was there to inform the line "NO-PIERCINGS" ????
Dan, that's neat! Do you have any pictures of that? In some cases, I've heard fenders/hoods were painted in a different area or even different plant (non Olds info, not sure how Olds did it). It sounds like we have some more things to figure out...
Power brakes, GTO air cleaner, non-original ducting, washer tank on the wrong side, 70 steering wheel, but what appear to be original red inner fenders. Lots of questions, no answers. No photos of where the fender emblems are located (all W30 cars got W36 stripes). And yeah, a column shift AT was a valid option with buckets in a 68 W30. Of course, one would need to verify the trans tag and head castings.
I wonder where that vacuum line is going for the power brakes? There's another line that joins it and goes to the passenger side as well
I'm going to guess that's the same line and it's going for a loop. That's a semi-common kludge to get a "vacuum reservoir" for helping the power brake booster get another good shot on low vacuum generating engines.
I'm going to guess that's the same line and it's going for a loop. That's a semi-common kludge to get a "vacuum reservoir" for helping the power brake booster get another good shot on low vacuum generating engines.
If that's what it is, then it doesn't work. The vacuum "reservoir" needs to be between the check valve and the booster. Otherwise, it's at manifold vacuum (or lack thereof), which means it doesn't hold any additional vacuum.
If I was looking for a car, I think I would certainly have gambled on that car..obviously with more pics and conversations with the seller..I had a 68 442 convertible in high school. That is what probably drives my desire..and I think the 68 drop top was one of the sexiest muscle cars built. Who knows well could be a W30 car originally..
It's listed again, this time on copart. No mention of the frame this time either. Lot #41015202.
I tried to post a link but having issues.
Copart is probably the best place for it as there aren't any disclosure requirements except those that are already on the title. The dealer can wash their hands of it.
As of now the bids are at $24,700.00 You can rest assured this won't be the last time you see this car for sale in it's current condition.
Man...wealth of Oldsmobile knowledge on this site. I learn something everytime I ready the comments of those cars claiming to be all original. Great stuff!!!
Worth is 63 grand. It's on the internet so it must be true. Name one 68 442 that has sold for that. 24+ thousand reserve not met. Minimum next bid 32 grand. All sounds straight up to me.
One. People trying to buy any car that doesn't do their due diligence is an idiot.
What a shame. No mention of bad frame..ugh, imagine getting that home after paying that money ..
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