1991 Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais 442 W41 1 of 15 with Racing Package!
March 21st, 2012 | 08:04 AM
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1991 Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais 442 W41 1 of 15 with Racing Package!
A total of 200 Calais 442 W-41's were produced in 1991. Of those 200 vehicles, 15 were produced without air conditioning as part of a showroom-stock racing package. Those vehicles without A/C are equipped with an engine oil cooler and an improved fuel tank sump unit. The modified fuel tank sump allows for the use of all the fuel in the tank without without starvation caused by fuel slosh during aggressive cornering. This is one of those 15 vehicles.
This vehicle was owned by Norman Chesrown. Chesrown Oldsmobile was the largest Oldsmobile dealer in the country in the 1970's. One of the many pieces of documentation included with the sale of this vehicle is a personal letter to Norm Chesrown from Oldsmobile Vice President Edwin V. Bennett, which included a high performance chip and an explanation of the benefits it provides. The performance chip has been installed in the vehicle and the stock chip has been saved.
Click Here for a link to our website with photos
Please call or email Dave Bowen at 614-619-1973 or dbowen@chesrown.com
This vehicle was owned by Norman Chesrown. Chesrown Oldsmobile was the largest Oldsmobile dealer in the country in the 1970's. One of the many pieces of documentation included with the sale of this vehicle is a personal letter to Norm Chesrown from Oldsmobile Vice President Edwin V. Bennett, which included a high performance chip and an explanation of the benefits it provides. The performance chip has been installed in the vehicle and the stock chip has been saved.
Click Here for a link to our website with photos
Please call or email Dave Bowen at 614-619-1973 or dbowen@chesrown.com
March 21st, 2012 | 09:47 AM
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i wondered how long before one of these would surface. it looks to be very original. would there be any way to get a picture of the gas tank? i was told they were hand made and not stamped but i also thought only the ones with a roll cage had the gas tank. it was about 15-18 years ago when i was looking at all the info so i may be wrong. also, could you tell me what the order number is on the bottom of the window sticker? should be between W-41001 to W-41204. thanks for posting it here.
W machine will likely be able to correct my poor memory.
W machine will likely be able to correct my poor memory.
March 21st, 2012 | 09:39 PM
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A total of 200 Calais 442 W-41's were produced in 1991. Of those 200 vehicles, 15 were produced without air conditioning as part of a showroom-stock racing package. Those vehicles without A/C are equipped with an engine oil cooler and an improved fuel tank sump unit. The modified fuel tank sump allows for the use of all the fuel in the tank without without starvation caused by fuel slosh during aggressive cornering. This is one of those 15 vehicles.
This vehicle was owned by Norman Chesrown. Chesrown Oldsmobile was the largest Oldsmobile dealer in the country in the 1970's. One of the many pieces of documentation included with the sale of this vehicle is a personal letter to Norm Chesrown from Oldsmobile Vice President Edwin V. Bennett, which included a high performance chip and an explanation of the benefits it provides. The performance chip has been installed in the vehicle and the stock chip has been saved.
Quite a rare piece!!! Would look good in any Olds guy's garage!!
Click Here for a link to our website with photos
Please call or email Dave Bowen at 614-619-1973 or dbowen@chesrown.com
This vehicle was owned by Norman Chesrown. Chesrown Oldsmobile was the largest Oldsmobile dealer in the country in the 1970's. One of the many pieces of documentation included with the sale of this vehicle is a personal letter to Norm Chesrown from Oldsmobile Vice President Edwin V. Bennett, which included a high performance chip and an explanation of the benefits it provides. The performance chip has been installed in the vehicle and the stock chip has been saved.
Quite a rare piece!!! Would look good in any Olds guy's garage!!
Click Here for a link to our website with photos
Please call or email Dave Bowen at 614-619-1973 or dbowen@chesrown.com
March 22nd, 2012 | 09:22 AM
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Just one of Oldsmobile's major blunders not even trying to market these cars, which were more bang for the buck than *anything else* in the market at the time, and even holds up decently by today's standards.
Just because it is of no interest to you is no reason to to put it down. Regardless of your personal tastes, it remains a key part of Oldsmobile performance history.
March 22nd, 2012 | 09:36 AM
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the production figure is 204 of the 91 442 W-41 cars.
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March 22nd, 2012 | 09:44 AM
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Not entirely accurate. Along with all of the '92 and '93 SCX Achievas, all 200 were part of the "showroom-stock racing package". All of the W41 cars were made in limited numbers and were sold to the public to qualify as "stock" cars for racing in IMSA and the Firehawk series.
Just one of Oldsmobile's major blunders not even trying to market these cars, which were more bang for the buck than *anything else* in the market at the time, and even holds up decently by today's standards.
Just because it is of no interest to you is no reason to to put it down. Regardless of your personal tastes, it remains a key part of Oldsmobile performance history.
Just one of Oldsmobile's major blunders not even trying to market these cars, which were more bang for the buck than *anything else* in the market at the time, and even holds up decently by today's standards.
Just because it is of no interest to you is no reason to to put it down. Regardless of your personal tastes, it remains a key part of Oldsmobile performance history.
March 22nd, 2012 | 09:48 AM
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March 22nd, 2012 | 10:09 AM
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Hope you find a buyer. I know I am letting my personal tastes show through but I just can't see any modern FWD car Olds or otherwise being a desirable collectible. Not saying it would not be fun to beat on in some corners but not any more fun than my buddies cars that run the Lemmons races with cars they have $500.00 invested in.
March 22nd, 2012 | 10:12 AM
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Cool car! To find anything with the Quad 4 that clean and low mileage is rare. A good friend of mine, 25 yrs ago in high school, had an '85 Trans Am. His dad had just bought a new, I believe, '88 Grand Am with the Quad 4...they raced each other here on Long Island's Ocean Parkway...needless to say, my buddy was thoroughly embarrassed! Next to a GN, fastest American car of the time period IMO!
March 22nd, 2012 | 11:12 AM
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Hi yes I can get you a picture of the gas tank. On the Sticker it says W41198 This car is perfect condition like new! Very rare to find one at all let alone in this condition. What is your email address so I can send you more pictures?
March 22nd, 2012 | 11:14 AM
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i wondered how long before one of these would surface. it looks to be very original. would there be any way to get a picture of the gas tank? i was told they were hand made and not stamped but i also thought only the ones with a roll cage had the gas tank. it was about 15-18 years ago when i was looking at all the info so i may be wrong. also, could you tell me what the order number is on the bottom of the window sticker? should be between W-41001 to W-41204. thanks for posting it here.
W machine will likely be able to correct my poor memory.
W machine will likely be able to correct my poor memory.
March 22nd, 2012 | 12:28 PM
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We need more 442 clones anyway. It's not an Oldsmobile unless it's a '64'-'72 A-body, right?
I drove a ragged out '85ish GrandAm with the 130hp version of this engine and it would blow the front tires away in second gear in the 2-2.5K RPM range without popping the clutch or at high RPM for that matter. Having 50 more horsepower on tap would be an absolute blast..especially in a better looking version of the N-car platform..
There are some people out there that find this vehicle much more desirable/collectible than the ubiquitous A-body. I wonder how it would compare to a '70 W30 or W31 at the dragstrip? I'm sure it would still suck, LOL.
March 22nd, 2012 | 02:07 PM
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I'm not saying it would not interest someone, I'm just saying that the yawn factor is pretty high. Is it a nice car, yes! Is it rare, yes! I'm saying there are many, many other cars out there in my opinion that would be better candidates to drop $20k on.
I think one of the other members scored 1 last year or the year before for $2600! And at that time there was one on craigslist for $50k.
I think one of the other members scored 1 last year or the year before for $2600! And at that time there was one on craigslist for $50k.
March 22nd, 2012 | 03:19 PM
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March 22nd, 2012 | 04:08 PM
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last i knew, there is no listing for these cars. the last one i know of that was sold went for 9K and was in he same condition as this one, had 49,??? miles. the one for 9K had A/C.
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March 22nd, 2012 | 04:13 PM
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I bought in late 1987 a new '88 Quad 4 Calais International. Was loaded with everything, black w/grey leather interior. Had the long intake runners on it (before they were redesigned in 1990 I believe) so it was kind of doggy until about 3500 rpm, then watch out all the way to 7K!
March 22nd, 2012 | 04:22 PM
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I had one of those GIVEN to me. Here's the rest of the story:::::::: It was only a body and the rear axle. The interior was present and the body was PERFECT----no engine or trans. and NO TITLE. Oldsmobile had given the car to a college as part of a vo-tech program and the college dismantled the car. The school did not receive any kind of title and in reality it was to go to the crusher when they were finished with it. I was selling new Oldsmobiles at the time and the college contacted me to help them get rid of it. I contacted my zone rep. and he pulled some strings and got me the car. At the time, I was heavily involved in drag racing and was going to build a Super Stock until my chassis shop told me it would be $14k just for the chassis---in 1991 dollars.
Needless to say, I sold it for parts. And that-----------is the rest of the story!
Needless to say, I sold it for parts. And that-----------is the rest of the story!
March 22nd, 2012 | 04:30 PM
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I think it is a very cool car but price seems high I would be all over it for 10 to 12
I dont know anything about the 1-15 and so on I see on the sticker that is is a 442 thats all Not saying it isnt what they say it is if it is then it might be worth more ???
I dont know anything about the 1-15 and so on I see on the sticker that is is a 442 thats all Not saying it isnt what they say it is if it is then it might be worth more ???
April 5th, 2012 | 03:36 PM
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These cars are a blast to drive. I had a '90 Quad 442 (10 less HP, not noticeable), Black exterior with a dark red interior. If I could get one of my past Oldsmobiles back, it would be that one. A/C, PW, PDL, all the comforts of home and quick as a cat. I really think the 1990 Quad 442 is rarer than the '91 W41 now. I have been looking for one for the past 3 or 4 years and about all I see for sale are '91's. I don't want one of those as they don't have power windows.
April 5th, 2012 | 04:50 PM
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have you driven both? i would have to disagree with the not noticeable. the W-41 is more than just the 10HP more. it is also differant final drive gearing and transmission gearing and even 600 RPM higher rev limit. i dove both side by side and i thought it was very noticeable. also my W-41 would beat the 5.0 rustangs without a problem but the W-40 could not.
April 5th, 2012 | 05:50 PM
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have you driven both? i would have to disagree with the not noticeable. the W-41 is more than just the 10HP more. it is also differant final drive gearing and transmission gearing and even 600 RPM higher rev limit. i dove both side by side and i thought it was very noticeable. also my W-41 would beat the 5.0 rustangs without a problem but the W-40 could not.
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A total of 200 Calais 442 W-41's were produced in 1991. Of those 200 vehicles, 15 were produced without air conditioning as part of a showroom-stock racing package. Those vehicles without A/C are equipped with an engine oil cooler and an improved fuel tank sump unit. The modified fuel tank sump allows for the use of all the fuel in the tank without without starvation caused by fuel slosh during aggressive cornering. This is one of those 15 vehicles.
This vehicle was owned by Norman Chesrown. Chesrown Oldsmobile was the largest Oldsmobile dealer in the country in the 1970's. One of the many pieces of documentation included with the sale of this vehicle is a personal letter to Norm Chesrown from Oldsmobile Vice President Edwin V. Bennett, which included a high performance chip and an explanation of the benefits it provides. The performance chip has been installed in the vehicle and the stock chip has been saved.
Click Here for a link to our website with photos
Please call or email Dave Bowen at 614-619-1973 or dbowen@chesrown.com
This vehicle was owned by Norman Chesrown. Chesrown Oldsmobile was the largest Oldsmobile dealer in the country in the 1970's. One of the many pieces of documentation included with the sale of this vehicle is a personal letter to Norm Chesrown from Oldsmobile Vice President Edwin V. Bennett, which included a high performance chip and an explanation of the benefits it provides. The performance chip has been installed in the vehicle and the stock chip has been saved.
Click Here for a link to our website with photos
Please call or email Dave Bowen at 614-619-1973 or dbowen@chesrown.com
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