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Old August 11th, 2023, 12:03 AM
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1970 w30? 442 convertible (not mine) $12k

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Old August 11th, 2023, 12:56 AM
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71/72 Fenders...
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Definitely appears to be a crusty w30..fenders obviously replaced, stripes on front fenders don’t match the rear stripes. Narrower over the wheel house on front than the rear.. Be a beautiful car after dumping 75 grand and a couple years of your time into..Take it to a resto shop and the bill will be 150k minimum plus what you pay for it..I wonder how bad the frame and floorboard rust are?
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71/72 Fenders...
As I believe I learned from this forum, is that because of those ^ notches in the inner lip of the engine compartment?
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Very cool!
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Originally Posted by 1969Hurst
As I believe I learned from this forum, is that because of those ^ notches in the inner lip of the engine compartment?
Yes, AKA crumple zone.
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It makes me wonder what kind of rear end is sitting under there.
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It is always a shame to see cars get that far gone. That was a damn nice car at one time. That car has been sitting for a long time. I bet it would clean up pretty good to be used as a driver. Obviously plenty of issues but I would cruise it cleaned up. Drive it for awhile then pass it on to someone that wants to restore it.



















Put a wing on it and call it good 🤔😂🤣


Looks like it was a stable mate of the Impala.

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No1 Olds, put a bid on it, may go fairly reasonable..it may cleanup decently too.
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It would be interesting to follow, maybe some fresh gas and a set of jumpers and it would start. You never know, of course the motor maybe shot. But it did clean up for the video and didn't look all that bad.
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Jesus, would it kill you to take some soap and water to the damn thing? It'd probably pull another $5k with all that dirt and mold washed off. Definitely looks to be an original car and well worth the current bid. The only visible rust is on the decklid.
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Originally Posted by acavagnaro
Jesus, would it kill you to take some soap and water to the damn thing? It'd probably pull another $5k with all that dirt and mold washed off. Definitely looks to be an original car and well worth the current bid. The only visible rust is on the decklid.
The dirt ads to the provenance of the story.😅. A 344 car for sure, but the stripes are clearly not Lansing issue. KFC Extra Crunchy…. I’d like look at it first hand before committing.
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Originally Posted by TRFREE
It makes me wonder what kind of rear end is sitting under there.
Why wouldn't it be a Type O?
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Why wouldn't it be a Type O?
Perhaps the random possibility of a W27? That would be my guess.
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That's what I was thinking, maybe a W27.
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Jesus, would it kill you to take some soap and water to the damn thing? It'd probably pull another $5k with all that dirt and mold washed off. Definitely looks to be an original car and well worth the current bid. The only visible rust is on the decklid.
i agree. take some pics in the as found condition, then clean it up, and take pics to show everyone what it really looks like.
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Originally Posted by Funkwagon455
Perhaps the random possibility of a W27? That would be my guess.
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That's what I was thinking, maybe a W27.
Fair enough. That would make the current bid price quite a bargain.
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Originally Posted by Funkwagon455
Perhaps the random possibility of a W27? That would be my guess.
Would a car with AC and power brakes have a W-27 rearend as an option?
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Yes,it would be a 3.23 gear though.
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Originally Posted by Andy
No1 Olds, put a bid on it, may go fairly reasonable..it may cleanup decently too.
It won't go cheap. Plenty of hack dealers out there waiting to grab it and call it one of one.

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It would be interesting to follow, maybe some fresh gas and a set of jumpers and it would start. You never know
, of course the motor maybe shot. But it did clean up for the video and didn't look all that bad.
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Too bad it won't go cheap enough to find out. The interior looks original enough to where you may actually find a build sheet.

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Perhaps the random possibility of a W27? That would be my guess.
That is an Oldsmobile fan's dream.

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Would a car with AC and power brakes have a W-27 rearend as an option?
COULD have that option. Chances are slim.
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It's up to $30,500 as of today. I was thinking of checking this car out on their inspection/preview days (Tuesday August 22nd: 9am - 4pm and Wednesday August 23rd: 8:30am - 11am) but that doesn't look likely now.

Personally I don't see how you can bid this high on this car without having either inspected it or have some inside knowledge.
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looks like 28877872 has a bot or somehow it's auto-bidding right after it's outbid
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Originally Posted by v8al
It's up to $30,500 as of today. Personally I don't see how you can bid this high on this car without having either inspected it or have some inside knowledge.
One of the reasons people don't like me here is because of this. It used to be that people cared about numbers matching etc. Not so much anymore. If this car doesn't end up at volo or some other lame dealer I will be so surprised. Lame dealer will flip that car in a minute.
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It cleaned up decent in the video for sure. It may be more rust free than it looks like..Definitely want to inspect if you’re a buyer..My guess is it will sell at 38k round abouts..big money car when finished but it will take big money to get it there..If your dream car is a 70 W car drop top then here is an opportunity that RARELY ,VERY RARELY comes around..Question, that overflow tank on radiator, is that original? My non ac hardtop doesn’t have an overflow so curios?
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I suspect the car has been in a flood..
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The $12K title of this thread is misleading. The current bid is over $30K and climbing.
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Originally Posted by dc2x4drvr
I suspect the car has been in a flood..
Sure looks like that could be a possibility. That car and that Impala have definitely seen moisture.
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I would bet the farm that there is a broadcast card under that backseat. The fact that the original floor mats are intact still leads me to believe it’s pretty untouched inside. Very cool car. At $35k, even if it’s not a W-30, it’s still a good buy as a W-25 factory special order 442 convertible. Restored, that’s either a $125k car or a $250k car. Hopefully, someone on here scores it and keeps us updated!
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Originally Posted by WTHIRTY1
I would bet the farm that there is a broadcast card under that backseat. The fact that the original floor mats are intact still leads me to believe it’s pretty untouched inside. Very cool car. At $35k, even if it’s not a W-30, it’s still a good buy as a W-25 factory special order 442 convertible. Restored, that’s either a $125k car or a $250k car. Hopefully, someone on here scores it and keeps us updated!
I think its a true w30 car, like you said factory floor mats, crusty components, Not sure about being in a flood as the interior would show that more, but definitely stored in a humid environment for the black mold and rust etc you can see on radiator top, trunk lid, bumpers etc..I think its in california it says, which is usually pretty dry..perplexing
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Originally Posted by dc2x4drvr
I suspect the car has been in a flood..
Id agree with this whole heartedly. Everything under the hood has oxidation.

The obviously fenders, and doors, have been repainted.

The dirt on the car is not dust build up, its from sittings under water where the water was rushing by carrying mud.

As far as a W27 axle, when was the W27 discontinued due to failures?
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Sorry, but I have several cars that look like that and none of them have been in a flood.
People pay money for that "barn find" dirt.
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Originally Posted by no1oldsfan
Sure looks like that could be a possibility. That car and that Impala have definitely seen moisture.
They look like they were in storage barn garage etc that didn't hold back the elements. Flood damage would be way more detrimental. You would see flood damage on the door panels etc.
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So how come bidfastandlast shows the current bid as $34,500 while Proxibid shows $5,500 for the same car? The car was bid to $5,500 on Aug 09 2:34pm (PDT) according to bidfastandlast. Why would you bid on proxibid if it doesn't even show you the correct current bid?




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The intake manifold doesn’t look like a aluminum intake for a w30.. I guess it could have been painted, hard to say is the photos aren’t the best. On my 70 w30 the hold down spring perch on the plastic oai top piece does not hook through the outer lip like this one..Mine have a little plastic molded piece that hangs down with a hole to hook your spring into on both sides. Mine are definitely original..lastly did w30’s come with dual gate automatic shifter only? Anyone know?
Can anyone comment on that?

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I am pretty sure that I have seen standard floor shifter W cars.
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Originally Posted by no1oldsfan
I am pretty sure that I have seen standard floor shifter W cars.
Correct, there are also column shifted W-30’s!😳
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Originally Posted by no1oldsfan
I am pretty sure that I have seen standard floor shifter W cars.
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Correct, there are also column shifted W-30’s!😳
Yes, GM being GM, the Dual Gate was an extra-cost option not included with W-30, or W-31 for that matter.
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Originally Posted by Funkwagon455
Correct, there are also column shifted W-30’s!😳
I have never even seen a pic of a 70 w30 convertibe with a column shift.. that be interesting ..What about the plastic oai topper with where the springs attach? Where there two different ones in 70?
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OK, time to fight truth decay. Base trans with the W30 package was the four speed with floor shifter and no console. If you ordered the automatic, you got a column shifter. You had to pay extra for RPO D55 to get the console (which came with the normal Olds floor shifter on AT cars). You had to pay extra on top of that for RPO W26 dual gate. Keep in mind that both four speed and AT had to be compatible with the RPO A52 bench seat option.

Why is there a question about the O.A.I. adapter? The one in the photos is correct. It's just missing the foam seal that turned to powder decades ago.





As for the intake, that white residue is aluminum oxide, not rust.



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Joe - Andy's question has to do with how the OAI flapper hold down springs, on the subject car, are just attached over the top lip of the plastic flapper.

My bet is the attaching "tabs" on the underside are there and someone got tired of trying to attach the springs through the small holes in the tab on each side. "Quick and Dirty" method of attaching the hold down springs was used instead....just hook 'em over the top lip......especially since there isn't a foam seal to get in the way.
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