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Total production of all W-30s in 1970 is 3,100 vehicles.
Only 1,032 Holiday Coupes were equipped with 4 speeds from the Factory.
It has been estimated that less than 25% of the 4 speed cars exist today with original engines,transmissions and documentation to prove the 4 speed status.
A broadcast card can prove W-30 option status, color and some options, but will NOT prove 4 speed transmission. You need, a window sticker, line sheet or GM of Canada docs, etc
A 4 speed W-30 is extra special in the OLDS/Muscle car world in that it used a unique long duration 328 degree cam shaft (No a/c or power brakes available) which made more power. This is what helps provide the W-30 that unmistakable chop and lope.
This is unique with OLDS for 1970, in that other Top tier / max efforts Muscle Cars generally had the same engine / cam whether automatic or manual. The Hemi, Stage I, RAIV, LS6, SCJ, AMX etc all used the same camshaft/engine regardless of transmission. In some cases the autos could be quicker car, but not with OLDS and the extra power it produced.
While it is known that the stated 370hp for both the auto and manual were underrated as similar auto cam profile Olds/455s had been rated at 400hp prior, The big cam made more hp at the top end.
Here is a 4 speed with documentation and all original drive train as well as an established provenance. All components from the master clyinder to brake calipers are correct original date doded components.
Based on our research, We believe that that this W-30 may have only had three prior owners.
The family we obtained the car from had owned it for approx 22 years.
The car is from Oregon so it is dry and solid with all original GM metal. (One front fender replaced) (Spolier added)
It is an original Silver car with, Black stripes and black bucket seat interior and one repaint.
It is a no console car, sport wheel and 3.42 posi
It shows under 16,000 miles and was sold to the previous owners as original miles. They did not dive it much during the 22 years they owned it.
The original numbers matching engine and trans are being freshened and detailed with new clutch and Gardner exhaust as well as fresh and safe Goodyear tires.
Stephen Minore has also inspected this W-30 and issued his Rocket Report certificate of authenticity.
Price is $110,000.00.
Last edited by Stefano; January 12th, 2021 at 12:04 PM.
Pics were taken the day after I got it home and after a fun and robust test drive. I know some details in the pics are not right, but they will be corrected.
I was a fool not to buy yours when we talked.. I can't wait to see what you do with this one. You do amazing work and are one of the nicest people I have met on the forums - I mean that sincerely. I really appreciate you trying to help find me a car.
The Silver/ Black combination is very classy, IMO on just about any muscle car. This W-30 was sold new at Bob Brown in Portland Oregon. It has been SOLD.
Thank you for the kind words Andy. It is a special W-30 and the new owner has been patiently waiting for it to be completed and delivered. Thanks to the members here who helped with some of the needed special parts and thanks to Stephen Minore for his help in properly detailing some of the components as well as providing his "Rocket Report" Certification.
A broadcast card can prove W-30 option status, color and some options, but will NOT prove 4 speed transmission. You need, a window sticker, line sheet or GM of Canada docs, etc
___________________Really?
Minore will sign-off on a 4-speed car if the vin derivative matches the dash vin. Ask me how I know.
Minore will sign-off on a 4-speed car if the vin derivative matches the dash vin. Ask me how I know.
Yes really, also it needs to do more than have some of the same numbers. Correct fonts and stamp as well as broach marks/engine are important too. But that doesn’t change anything I noted about the broadcast card. It won’t show the manual trans.
Yes really, also it needs to do more than have some of the same numbers. Correct fonts and stamp as well as broach marks/engine are important too. But that doesn’t change anything I noted about the broadcast card. It won’t show the manual trans.
_______________I agree there is more to it than to agree similar numbers, and the broadcast card will not show manual transmission; however, few cars will present with the additional documents you state is needed to verify a 4-speed transmission; that simply is not reality, confuse what is standard practice, and sow disinformation for others than come along after us. For the record, and in general terms, if the trans vin derivative matches the dash vin without exception, further documentation is not a prerequisite. And too, please understand the sole purpose of me bringing this up is simply to prevent ambiguity for future users.
Such a freakin awesome car..Looking at this original car, so the waterneck is supposed to be metal not blue painted? Or did it come both ways depending on the day of the build? Same with the engine lift loop?
Such a freakin awesome car..Looking at this original car, so the waterneck is supposed to be metal not blue painted? Or did it come both ways depending on the day of the build? Same with the engine lift loop?
Thank you. The way you see the aluminum housing and lift bracket on this W-30 are correct for this car.
... so the waterneck is supposed to be metal not blue painted? Or did it come both ways depending on the day of the build? Same with the engine lift loop?
Andy,
It's easy to remember the paint status of those two items by thinking about how the engine-paint line worked at the factory.
The engine was assembled when it went down the paint line. if the intake manifold was not to be painted, the manifold was covered by a mask to keep paint off.
The lift loop and water neck were attached to the manifold, so the mask covered them too.
Last edited by VC455; August 10th, 2021 at 01:19 PM.
Reason: Clarification
Andy,
It's easy to remember the paint status of those two items by thinking about how the engine-paint line worked at the factory.
The engine was assembled when it went down the paint line. if the intake manifold was not to be painted, the manifold was covered by a mask to keep paint off.
The lift loop and water neck were attached to the manifold, so the mask covered them too.
They didn't get paint on them.
Thank you, so much contradictory info out there..this makes sense.
Andy,
It's easy to remember the paint status of those two items by thinking about how the engine-paint line worked at the factory.
The engine was assembled when it went down the paint line. if the intake manifold was not to be painted, the manifold was covered by a mask to keep paint off.
The lift loop and water neck were attached to the manifold, so the mask covered them too.
They didn't get paint on them.
Correct, kinda, for 1970. No paint on the lift loop, however, you'd likely see some overspray on the thermostat housing as well as the aluminum intake on a 30 / 31.
Correct, kinda, for 1970. No paint on the lift loop, however, you'd likely see some overspray on the thermostat housing as well as the aluminum intake on a 30 / 31.
Yes, the engine mask was imperfect; paint spray went under the edges. Didn't mean to make an absolute statement.
January 12th, 2021, 11:26 AM
