1970 W30 4 speed Holiday Coupe Project
October 29th, 2013, 05:18 PM
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1970 W30 4 speed Holiday Coupe Project
1970 W30 4 speed Holiday Coupe Project
Here is a good foundation for a major project.
No factory / dealer paperwork.
No engine or transmission.
Clean Illinois Title
Original White with Black Stripes and black Bucket seat interior.
Floor pans are very solid and has original 4 speed tunnel
Power drivers seat
Tilt Wheel
Was SSIIs have two.
Power windows
Power Steering
AM 8-track
3.42 posi with original TM rear
W-25 hood is in very good shape for an unrestored original.
Original master clyinder
One original Fender with punched holes for emblems.
Very solid trunk and rockers
Has 1/4 skins which need replaced
Doors are good
1/4 extentions are solid.
Deck Lid looks fixable
Bottoms of fender fixable
Gutter channels are good.
Original glass but one 1/4 window
Bumpers are usable cores.
Seats are useable cores.
Frame and suspension is good and solid.
Was parked in the 1970s so 50,000 miles might be correct.
Certificate of authenticity from the NicKey registry that this is indeed a real W-30 4-speed. (long term prior owner history)
$8,500.00 obo call for more details 630.377.1222
Located in St Charles, Illinois
Here is a good foundation for a major project.
No factory / dealer paperwork.
No engine or transmission.
Clean Illinois Title
Original White with Black Stripes and black Bucket seat interior.
Floor pans are very solid and has original 4 speed tunnel
Power drivers seat
Tilt Wheel
Was SSIIs have two.
Power windows
Power Steering
AM 8-track
3.42 posi with original TM rear
W-25 hood is in very good shape for an unrestored original.
Original master clyinder
One original Fender with punched holes for emblems.
Very solid trunk and rockers
Has 1/4 skins which need replaced
Doors are good
1/4 extentions are solid.
Deck Lid looks fixable
Bottoms of fender fixable
Gutter channels are good.
Original glass but one 1/4 window
Bumpers are usable cores.
Seats are useable cores.
Frame and suspension is good and solid.
Was parked in the 1970s so 50,000 miles might be correct.
Certificate of authenticity from the NicKey registry that this is indeed a real W-30 4-speed. (long term prior owner history)
$8,500.00 obo call for more details 630.377.1222
Located in St Charles, Illinois
October 29th, 2013, 10:47 PM
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Certificate of authenticity from the NicKey registry that this is indeed a real
W-30 4-speed. (long term prior owner history)
W-30 4-speed. (long term prior owner history)
October 30th, 2013, 09:01 AM
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This is not a Nickey modded Car.
Just a good solid W-30 project with
NO factory or Dealer documentation.
The NicKey Chicago Inc entity has been providing certificates of authenticity on
select and very special cars for years.
select and very special cars for years.
October 30th, 2013, 09:21 AM
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I believe that my listing is very clear. There is NO documentation either from the factory or selling dealer that this is a W-30. NONE!
As far as a NicKey certification, we indeed have decided that there exists enough proof, based on our established parameters in order to provide a certification.
How you or the market may value our certification is certainly subjective. We have however been "certifying" select and special cars for many years.
Numerous collectors / customers who have purchased cars from us or paid for inspections / certifications have obviously deemed that there was/is a value to our service.
For the record, we have never "certified" a bogus car. If you would like to discuss our certification process and/or services, then let's do so in a new thread.
As far as a NicKey certification, we indeed have decided that there exists enough proof, based on our established parameters in order to provide a certification.
How you or the market may value our certification is certainly subjective. We have however been "certifying" select and special cars for many years.
Numerous collectors / customers who have purchased cars from us or paid for inspections / certifications have obviously deemed that there was/is a value to our service.
For the record, we have never "certified" a bogus car. If you would like to discuss our certification process and/or services, then let's do so in a new thread.
Last edited by Stefano; October 30th, 2013 at 09:25 AM.
October 30th, 2013, 02:28 PM
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The windshield appears to be original. The top of the metal dash does have surface rust and debris on the edges, but seems to be very solid with no rust thru. I would think it will clean up nice.
The 4 speed console is useable and the Dash Pad has no cracks or tears.
The 4 speed console is useable and the Dash Pad has no cracks or tears.
October 30th, 2013, 04:10 PM
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no offense but i think this certification thing kind of cheapens your reputation (which i believe is good), especially since your selling this car. What does this certification do ? what if after the guy restores this car as a w30 someone comes up to him and says " hey that was my uncles white 442 he swapped all the parts from his neighbors wrecked white w30,heres the old reggie! " does the guy get some money back or a certification of apology?like i said no offense but it seems like name exploitation
October 31st, 2013, 03:11 AM
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9/25/2013 For Sale 1970 OLDS 442 W30 4Spd. white exterior with black interior, power seat, power windows, power steering. Needs complete restoration. For more info call John. lt5zr1@ymail.com 906-337-3928Allouez MI
http://www.442.com/class/adart/70297.jpg
October 31st, 2013, 10:31 AM
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October 31st, 2013, 01:17 PM
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A broadcast card or factory paperwork is the real meal ticket.
That OLDS W455 intake that is pictured in the previous 442.com ad is not original to the car. They did not make that style intake until mid-December,which is after the build date of the car.
IF the car is legit,it would have the OLDSMOBILE W455 intake,and there is only one 256 carb that is dated before that car was built,along with the distributor. The correct F-heads would need to be the 211's or 261's. What is the Julian date on that rear?
That OLDS W455 intake that is pictured in the previous 442.com ad is not original to the car. They did not make that style intake until mid-December,which is after the build date of the car.
IF the car is legit,it would have the OLDSMOBILE W455 intake,and there is only one 256 carb that is dated before that car was built,along with the distributor. The correct F-heads would need to be the 211's or 261's. What is the Julian date on that rear?
October 31st, 2013, 02:30 PM
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A broadcast card or factory paperwork is the real meal ticket.
That OLDS W455 intake that is pictured in the previous 442.com ad is not original to the car. They did not make that style intake until mid-December,which is after the build date of the car.
IF the car is legit,it would have the OLDSMOBILE W455 intake,and there is only one 256 carb that is dated before that car was built,along with the distributor. The correct F-heads would need to be the 211's or 261's. What is the Julian date on that rear?
That OLDS W455 intake that is pictured in the previous 442.com ad is not original to the car. They did not make that style intake until mid-December,which is after the build date of the car.
IF the car is legit,it would have the OLDSMOBILE W455 intake,and there is only one 256 carb that is dated before that car was built,along with the distributor. The correct F-heads would need to be the 211's or 261's. What is the Julian date on that rear?
For those asking, the listing has what is available for sale with this car at this point.
Julian casting date of the rear is 303.
I do not have, nor have I ever stated that the original intake, carb, dist, or heads are available.
While I do not know the exact phase in date, I have seen original W-30 boadcast cards with November build dates which did not designate W-30 on the card.
Last edited by Stefano; October 31st, 2013 at 02:35 PM.
October 31st, 2013, 05:57 PM
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A broadcast card or factory paperwork is the real meal ticket.
That OLDS W455 intake that is pictured in the previous 442.com ad is not original to the car. They did not make that style intake until mid-December,which is after the build date of the car.
IF the car is legit,it would have the OLDSMOBILE W455 intake,and there is only one 256 carb that is dated before that car was built,along with the distributor. The correct F-heads would need to be the 211's or 261's. What is the Julian date on that rear?
That OLDS W455 intake that is pictured in the previous 442.com ad is not original to the car. They did not make that style intake until mid-December,which is after the build date of the car.
IF the car is legit,it would have the OLDSMOBILE W455 intake,and there is only one 256 carb that is dated before that car was built,along with the distributor. The correct F-heads would need to be the 211's or 261's. What is the Julian date on that rear?
A great buy for Stefano, considering comparables, if you know what I mean...
November 1st, 2013, 10:30 AM
#30
Regarding the calls and emails from those wanting me to be certain that I am aware that I cannot have a "real" W-30 because I don't have the correct intake.
Thank you for your concern.
The correct early intake for this car would have been great to have, but we do not have it.
The brief history of this car is That it was purchased in the early 70s and soon thereafter parked and taken apart in the late 1970s. This car sat in a barn for decades. It was a W-30 then and is still a W-30 now. The owner was always going to put it back together one day, however that never happened. Over the years parts and drivetrain we stolen. He did have another automatic W-30 as well, which is what the later intake, in the other former advertisement, came off of.
With only 1,270 4 speeds ever produced and many more fakes and clones in existence today we have no issue calling this one out as an authentic W-30. If you see no value in that, that's great then move on.
It is very difficult to prove anything with 100% degree of certainty.
Thank you for your concern.
The correct early intake for this car would have been great to have, but we do not have it.
The brief history of this car is That it was purchased in the early 70s and soon thereafter parked and taken apart in the late 1970s. This car sat in a barn for decades. It was a W-30 then and is still a W-30 now. The owner was always going to put it back together one day, however that never happened. Over the years parts and drivetrain we stolen. He did have another automatic W-30 as well, which is what the later intake, in the other former advertisement, came off of.
With only 1,270 4 speeds ever produced and many more fakes and clones in existence today we have no issue calling this one out as an authentic W-30. If you see no value in that, that's great then move on.
It is very difficult to prove anything with 100% degree of certainty.
November 1st, 2013, 10:45 AM
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I definitely passed the $8500 mark on mine, even with a repro hood, and still without any correct engine/trans parts. Just in the past week this forum has had correct dated F heads, a correct dated Al intake, 2 original hoods, and an original OAI breather lid. The '70 W30s seem to have excellent investment potential.
Steve
November 1st, 2013, 10:59 AM
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November 1st, 2013, 11:03 AM
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Hey good afternoon,
One of my 70 W30's is built October 28, 1970. I have 2 broadcast cards for that car and both have W30 stamped on the cards.
Cheers,
Sam
One of my 70 W30's is built October 28, 1970. I have 2 broadcast cards for that car and both have W30 stamped on the cards.
Cheers,
Sam
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November 1st, 2013, 11:16 AM
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Thanks for the reply. I wasn't meaning to insinuate that all early 1970 W-30s did not have W-30 denoted on the broad cast card only that some we have seen did not. I can think of two recent 4 speed Convertibles which had BCCs and no W-30.
November 1st, 2013, 12:18 PM
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Looks like a solid start to a very nice project. I wish I could buy a set of those L60 15 Polyglass Goodyears today! Oops maybe I can. They would just cost next weeks paycheck! Good luck with the sale. Someone will get a nice project.
November 1st, 2013, 08:44 PM
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A broadcast card or factory paperwork is the real meal ticket.
That OLDS W455 intake that is pictured in the previous 442.com ad is not original to the car. They did not make that style intake until mid-December,which is after the build date of the car.
IF the car is legit,it would have the OLDSMOBILE W455 intake,and there is only one 256 carb that is dated before that car was built,along with the distributor. The correct F-heads would need to be the 211's or 261's. What is the Julian date on that rear?
That OLDS W455 intake that is pictured in the previous 442.com ad is not original to the car. They did not make that style intake until mid-December,which is after the build date of the car.
IF the car is legit,it would have the OLDSMOBILE W455 intake,and there is only one 256 carb that is dated before that car was built,along with the distributor. The correct F-heads would need to be the 211's or 261's. What is the Julian date on that rear?
303 on the TM rear diff is very close, is it not? that is for your build date window for authentication as OEM W30 equip.
I have a spare intake in your build date window and I have a 70 455 with 311, but that may be to close to 11B
Last edited by lunaboy; November 1st, 2013 at 10:35 PM.
November 1st, 2013, 11:19 PM
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my 01D w30 has one 261 and one 336. whats up with that , did they have a large batch of 261s and pulled one out with the 336 F head for my late Jan build date ?
303 on the TM rear diff is very close, is it not? that is for your build date window for authentication as OEM W30 equip.
I have a spare intake in your build date window and I have a 70 455 with 311, but that may be to close to 11B
303 on the TM rear diff is very close, is it not? that is for your build date window for authentication as OEM W30 equip.
I have a spare intake in your build date window and I have a 70 455 with 311, but that may be to close to 11B
Anything is possible after 45 years I suppose, but I'd be leary of them not matching up, and if I had a documented w30 car, I'd address that issue.
November 2nd, 2013, 09:01 AM
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Most W30's that I have owned or seen,did have heads with matching dates,but there were plenty that didn't. They took what was on the rack,and assembled the engines.
The blue W30 that Nate has,is a 12A car,has 325-Julian dated block,one 211 head,and one 295 head,along with a September-dated intake,and the July-dated 4-spd distributor.One might question why the engine doesn't have a 261-dated head,as that date is in between te 211 and 261,but again,whatever was nearest to the assembler is what got put on the engine.
As for the 303-dated rear for the sale car,that could be correct,as far as date goes,and the TM is supposed to designate a W-car,but I have also seen non-Wcars come with those rears,so that throws that theory out. I owned and extensively documented a 70 Cutlass 350 4spd car,that had a TM 3.42 rear,and also had the same code on the build sheet. The other oddity is that it was not built in Lansing,It was built in Frammington,so how did a car like that get a TM rear and the same TM in the option box? Could it be something to do with the 4-spd? Who knows. It also had the KA-code M21.
The blue W30 that Nate has,is a 12A car,has 325-Julian dated block,one 211 head,and one 295 head,along with a September-dated intake,and the July-dated 4-spd distributor.One might question why the engine doesn't have a 261-dated head,as that date is in between te 211 and 261,but again,whatever was nearest to the assembler is what got put on the engine.
As for the 303-dated rear for the sale car,that could be correct,as far as date goes,and the TM is supposed to designate a W-car,but I have also seen non-Wcars come with those rears,so that throws that theory out. I owned and extensively documented a 70 Cutlass 350 4spd car,that had a TM 3.42 rear,and also had the same code on the build sheet. The other oddity is that it was not built in Lansing,It was built in Frammington,so how did a car like that get a TM rear and the same TM in the option box? Could it be something to do with the 4-spd? Who knows. It also had the KA-code M21.
