Very hard brake pedal

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 17, 2017 | 07:52 PM
  #1  
steverw's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 1,589
From: Texas
Very hard brake pedal

I have been searching but not yet found any solution to my problem. All new everything, brake system. Reproduction parts. Front disc conversion. I bleed the brakes with the help of my wife, all went well and all air seem to be removed. Afterwards my brake pedal is very hard to push. It will stop the car but something is bad wrong. I talked to Mark Remmel today he says my cam should supply enough vacuum, i thought i had 15 inch of vacuum but today my gauge says only 12 inch vacuum. The motor runs great or seems to, but ill have to admit im not good with a timing light, i did my best and it really seems to run very well. It fires right up and has alot of power, but perhaps there are carb and timing adjustments i could make to create more vacuum? Im almost done with the build, i drove it out of the garage into the sun for the first time in 4.5 years, im excited.
Any ideas on my brakes would be appreciated. If the porportioning valve got out of center what would the effect be of that? And how do you center one?
Thanks
Steve
Attached Images
File Type: jpg
054.JPG (2.92 MB, 8 views)

Last edited by steverw; Sep 17, 2017 at 07:54 PM.
Old Sep 18, 2017 | 04:58 AM
  #2  
oldcutlass's Avatar
Administrator
 
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 42,521
From: Poteau, Ok
A very hard brake pedal is usually a bad power booster.
Old Sep 18, 2017 | 11:31 AM
  #3  
steverw's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 1,589
From: Texas
Thanks Eric, I appreciate your reply
Old Sep 18, 2017 | 01:42 PM
  #4  
RROLDSX's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 1,067
From: North Delta, BC
X2 on the power booster. I ordered a brand new one from Motorcity (Inline Tube) and didn't install it until 3 months later. It was bad out of the box, same symptoms as yours. They would not take it back after much communication. I finally gave up, told them they won and painted my old one and re-installed it. Looks and works great. I sure was glad I put a larger nut under the stock nut on the lower inner stud to tale up some of the long thread. Much easier to switch it out which ended up sooner than I thought or would have liked. I have a great looking Inline Tube power booster for sale if anyone wants.
Old Sep 18, 2017 | 01:53 PM
  #5  
oldcutlass's Avatar
Administrator
 
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 42,521
From: Poteau, Ok
I ran into this very same issue with my friends 66 Chevelle. It had been to 3 shops, no one could figure it out. I took it off and replaced it with his original also. Long story short, I had to put an aluminum rod down into the M/C actuator hole because of the mismatch between the old booster actuator and the way new M/C from the kit he bought mates.
Old Sep 18, 2017 | 02:46 PM
  #6  
RROLDSX's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 1,067
From: North Delta, BC
Thx Eric, I believe you diagnosed my issue as well.

Randy
Old Sep 18, 2017 | 07:33 PM
  #7  
Rocketbrian's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 990
From: Economy, Nova Scotia
Originally Posted by oldcutlass
I ran into this very same issue with my friends 66 Chevelle. It had been to 3 shops, no one could figure it out. I took it off and replaced it with his original also. Long story short, I had to put an aluminum rod down into the M/C actuator hole because of the mismatch between the old booster actuator and the way new M/C from the kit he bought mates.
Are you saying the actuator rod from the booster wasn't long enough to push the master cylinder sufficient to fully apply the brakes? I didn't follow the aluminum rod being put into the master cylinder actuator hole.
Old Sep 19, 2017 | 04:49 AM
  #8  
oldcutlass's Avatar
Administrator
 
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 42,521
From: Poteau, Ok
The booster had rod style actuator where as the diameter went straight into a hole bored into the M/C actuator and would not engage. You'll know if you run across the issue, the booster need something to push against to apply the brakes. I cut an aluminum dowel, close in diameter, to the proper length to allow a small amount of pedal free travel and slipped it into the hole
Old Sep 19, 2017 | 07:00 PM
  #9  
steverw's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 1,589
From: Texas
Again thanks guys, but do you think 12 inches of vacuum is enough?
Old Sep 19, 2017 | 09:36 PM
  #10  
Fun71's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 15,441
From: Phoenix, AZ
On my car the brakes didn't work at 100% with around 14-15" bouncy vacuum. After re-tuning the HEI so the initial advance was around 20º the vacuum came up to a steady 16" and the brakes worked fine. So from this experience I would say 12" is too low.
Old Sep 20, 2017 | 03:42 AM
  #11  
oldcutlass's Avatar
Administrator
 
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 42,521
From: Poteau, Ok
12/13" is not uncommon with a performance cam to operate power brakes. You can install reservoir to help maintain levels if required. Your vacuum in itself will not cause a rock hard pedal.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
RROLDSX
Brakes/Hydraulic Systems
12
May 31, 2017 06:46 PM
Raydermiike
Brakes/Hydraulic Systems
6
Sep 4, 2013 03:00 PM
Fitti Six
General Discussion
5
Mar 26, 2013 07:59 PM
iuhoops83
Brakes/Hydraulic Systems
12
Oct 7, 2009 09:30 AM
tarps3
Brakes/Hydraulic Systems
2
Jun 29, 2008 05:00 AM




All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:46 AM.