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Old Apr 14, 2020 | 06:03 PM
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1969 442 rear emergency brakes

I bought a 1969 oldsmobile 442 and it does not have emergency brakes and its a 4 speed

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Old Apr 14, 2020 | 06:07 PM
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1969 442

I bought a 69 442 4speed and it has no emergency brake

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Old Apr 15, 2020 | 03:27 AM
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We'd need a little more info to help you diagnose the problem:

1) Is there a E-brake pedal assembly on the far left side of the driver's foot well? If not, you'll need to find a pedal assembly and get it installed.
2) Is there an E-brake cable running from the pedal assembly to under the car, where it attaches to and pulls on the secondary cable which splits to the left and right rear E-brake cables that go from in front of the rear LCAs to the rear brake drum backing plates? If any of those 4 cables are missing, you'll need to purchase them and get them installed. There are also 2 metal "links" that connect between the ends of the secondary cable and the two rear cables, if those are missing then you'll need new ones installed.
3) Are the rear E-brake cables properly attached to the E-brake mechanism in the rear drum brakes? If not, you'll need to get that fixed.

Let us know what you have or don't have and we can go from there.
Old Apr 15, 2020 | 04:20 AM
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it has the cable from the pedal to the middle and thats it. and it has wilwwod caliper
Old Apr 15, 2020 | 06:09 AM
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it has the cable from the pedal to the middle and thats it. and it has wilwwod caliper
Since the mind reading thing STILL isn't working, how about you give us ALL the info about this car so we can give you a useful answer? Are you saying it has a rear disc brake conversion? Making us guess that and any other pertinent info isn't going to get you useful info. Since a disc brake conversion would be an aftermarket or custom installation, without photos of the calipers it's impossible to tell you anything.
Old Apr 15, 2020 | 06:40 AM
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its a 1969 oldsmobile 442 400 4 speed
Old Apr 15, 2020 | 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 442400hp
its a 1969 oldsmobile 442 400 4 speed
And that tells me about the brakes how, exactly? Are you intentionally making it difficult for people to help you?
Old Apr 15, 2020 | 06:58 AM
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Wen i got the car i was looking at it the guy i got it from took off the old drum brake off the rear and put wilwood rotors and calipers on and noting else
Old Apr 15, 2020 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by 442400hp
Wen i got the car i was looking at it the guy i got it from took off the old drum brake off the rear and put wilwood rotors and calipers on and noting else
Wilwood makes about a hundred different disc brake calipers. How about telling us WHICH ONES you have, or better, posting a photo.
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
Wilwood makes about a hundred different disc brake calipers. How about telling us WHICH ONES you have, or better, posting a photo.


Old Apr 15, 2020 | 09:10 AM
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Now how about a photo of the BACK of the caliper that shows where the E-brake connection would be? FYI, if these calipers don't have an E-brake provision, you're kind of screwed.

Wilwood calipers designed for an E-brake have the actuating mechanism on the back, like this:



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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
FYI, if these calipers don't have an E-brake provision, you're kind of screwed.
Seems offering a rear brake conversion without a E-brake provision would be a product liability disaster waiting to happen.

I'm not familiar w/ the Wilwood rear disc brake packages for A-bodies, but I would think that they offer parts to properly connect their e-brake mechanism to the existing cables (or replacement rear cable assemblies).
Old Apr 15, 2020 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyBs68S
Seems offering a rear brake conversion without a E-brake provision would be a product liability disaster waiting to happen.
Race cars don't require E-brakes. I guarantee you that every product Wilwood sells has a legal disclaimer someplace. By the way, Wilwood does sell disc brake kits that use a separate drum brake E-brake inside the rotor hat, just like Corvettes. The OP's car doesn't have that either.
Old Apr 15, 2020 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
By the way, Wilwood does sell disc brake kits that use a separate drum brake E-brake inside the rotor hat, just like Corvettes.
Interesting, I never knew such a system existed.
Old Apr 15, 2020 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Vintage Chief
Interesting, I never knew such a system existed.

Old Apr 15, 2020 | 12:21 PM
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Wow. I think that is pretty cool. I don't know anything about this system. I think I'll look some stuff up. Thanks, Joe.
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Isn't it amazing, the copious quantities of useful information we learn on here every day. Just like going to school.
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
Race cars don't require E-brakes.
Allow me to re-phrase that. Seems offering a rear brake conversion for a street-driven car without a E-brake provision would be a product liability disaster waiting to happen.

Originally Posted by joe_padavano
By the way, Wilwood does sell disc brake kits that use a separate drum brake E-brake inside the rotor hat, just like Corvettes. The OP's car doesn't have that either.
My '07 300C's rear disc brakes have a mini drum E-brake that scrubs the inside of the rotor. Being the only rear disc brakes I've ever worked on, I assumed most cars w/ rear disc brakes had that setup.
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[QUOTE=JohnnyBs68S]Allow me to re-phrase that. Seems offering a rear brake conversion for a street-driven car without a E-brake provision would be a product liability disaster waiting to happen. [/QUOTE]

My point is that Wilwood sells a lot of race car parts. The fact that whoever put those calipers on the car didn't select the correct ones for street use is not Wilwood's fault.
Old Jan 22, 2021 | 12:13 PM
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hey joe thanks for the patience in speaking with my son.....he is a little disabled and was trying to help......those willowwood calipers were made for drag racing and did not have any e brake mechanism.....they were removed and replaced with a master disc brake conversion and an after market cable set up that works great now.....thanks again Vinnie
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Not that it matters anymore do to the most recent post, but wilwood also makes supplemental external parking brake calipers to add to their systems that do not have the internal drum style e-brake. Some newer "super cars", "hyper cars", and "exotics" use systems like this as well.



Also, to Joe's point, every part that wilwood sells comes with a warning card like this inside the box. As well as multiple other warnings. I mean every part. If you buy a kit, there is a warning card in each rotor box, in each rotor hat box, in each caliper box, in the pad box, in each backing plate box... you get the point. These cards are in addition to the warnings printed in the instruction manual and the warnings printed on the outside of EVERY individual box. As the card says DO NOT ASSUME ANYTHING. Many of the warnings also say the parts are for race use only just as an additional way to legally cover their behind

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