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Old Sep 19, 2021 | 09:52 AM
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OAI Hood pins

First time owning an OIA hood. Fiberglass with steel frame. This was repaired once before I purchased the car but I'm getting some hairline cracks /fractures in my paint (possibly fiberglass itself) again around one of my locking pins. The hood does drop lower on that side a bit . The other three corners are lined up pretty decently. Is this cracking common? Will an adjustment of the rubber stopper on that side help this? One concern is will the pin still reach it's bracket if I raise the rubber stopper a bit. Any tips would be greatly appreciated. I'll include pics.



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Regarding fit...

The factory OAI hoods didn't fit that well from the outset. Your hood droop is not unusual.

If you look closely you can see your chrome trim on the hood is mis-positioned, making the droop look bigger. If you correct the chrome trim placement, the droop appearance would be within normal range.

Don't use the hood bumpers to try to correct this; that will cause stress in the fiberglass. Adjust the bumpers to have light contact. And make sure you have the third bumper (near the latch in the center).
Old Sep 20, 2021 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by VC455
Regarding fit...

The factory OAI hoods didn't fit that well from the outset. Your hood droop is not unusual.

If you look closely you can see your chrome trim on the hood is mis-positioned, making the droop look bigger. If you correct the chrome trim placement, the droop appearance would be within normal range.

Don't use the hood bumpers to try to correct this; that will cause stress in the fiberglass. Adjust the bumpers to have light contact. And make sure you have the third bumper (near the latch in the center).
That's interesting. Thank you. I don't believe I have the center bumper definitely going to look into that.
But what about the cracking/fracturing in the paint around the lock. That's my true concern. Is that common? Should I be trying to close that hood more gently. Maybe dropping it from a lower height or not dropping it at all? What's causing that fracturing?
Old Sep 20, 2021 | 09:54 AM
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If an original hood it could be called age
It can be fixed but may not be cheap how bad is it overall
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Old Sep 20, 2021 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by alain
If an original hood it could be called age
It can be fixed but may not be cheap how bad is it overall
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I posted pics above in the original posting. The car had been painted in June by the previous owner who noticed cracks around both pins and sent the hood back to the body shop to be redone. When I got the car the cracks were gone but something I've done to it between then and now in the last few weeks has caused the cracks to reappear.

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Old Sep 20, 2021 | 04:17 PM
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Maybe hood is on to tight to hood cushions these compositions hoods have a terrible fit and finish
Like I said it can be fixed but $$ and the adjustment
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Old Sep 20, 2021 | 04:26 PM
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That is an odd one. I have seen plenty of these hoods. Never seen that. Is the hood original or aftermarket? Do you know how damaged the hood was before it was fixed?

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Old Sep 20, 2021 | 04:40 PM
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I'm really not sure if it's original or aftermarket. It does have a steel frame which I At one time believed made it an original hood. But somewhere on this website in another thread I read that there are some aftermarket that have steel frames. Anyone here correct me If that's wrong.. I did get pictures of the original cracks before they were repaired , followed by pics after repair. And like I said when I took possession of the car the cracks were gone. This new damage looks very similar .
Old Sep 20, 2021 | 04:52 PM
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How badly was it damaged? Could it be that the metal frame is not fixed properly and is stressing the fiberglass? Can you post pictures of the underside of the hood? That might help identify the hood as original or not. Maybe post pictures of the hood damaged.
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The pics of the current damage are at the beginning of this thread. Not sure if I have still have the pics of the original damage that was then fixed. But ..this current damage looks very similar in size shape. It's not horrible. I can live with it for now. But I would like to do whatever possibe to stop it from getting any worse.
As ar as pics of the inside frame. Is there a particular section, part, part # etc that I could focus on that would help identify it. It's a big hood as you know for just a wide shot of the underside.
The more I look at it the more I'm realizing it can only be a few things causing it. Strong/hard contact of the underside of either the hood or pin assembly against either the hood bumper or that latch on the receiving end of the pin. Something is jarring that area around the pin hard enough to crack the paint.
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Many body shops do not have sufficient experience in fiberglass repair. If you decide to have it fixed, take it to a shop that repairs Corvettes. They will be able to diagnose and fix the problem, whether it be loose bond to the frame or incorrect glass repair.

I suspect the latter because even the paint around the repair is not done well (tiny fish-eyes are present).

A Corvette specialist repaired my OAI hood 10 years ago and did a superb job.
Old Sep 20, 2021 | 08:25 PM
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Yea, and too, someone has had an orbital sander on your hood pins, but that is an easy fix compared to the paint. I'm a fanatic about my W30 hood, so I don't drop the hood to close it--ever.
Old Sep 20, 2021 | 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by VC455
Many body shops do not have sufficient experience in fiberglass repair. If you decide to have it fixed, take it to a shop that repairs Corvettes. They will be able to diagnose and fix the problem, whether it be loose bond to the frame or incorrect glass repair.

I suspect the latter because even the paint around the repair is not done well (tiny fish-eyes are present).

A Corvette specialist repaired my OAI hood 10 years ago and did a superb job.
I agree. The way that the same cracks keep showing up I would suspect incorrect fiberglass repair.

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Yea, and too, someone has had an orbital sander on your hood pins, but that is an easy fix compared to the paint. I'm a fanatic about my W30 hood, so I don't drop the hood to close it--ever.
EVER. I never slam any hood. Let alone a fiberglass hood.
Old Sep 21, 2021 | 03:18 AM
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Ok guys . Thank you Lesson learned, go easy on the fiberglass slamming. As always I appreciate the knowledge and camaraderie. Newbie has been schooled again!!! 😂.
Old Sep 21, 2021 | 11:00 AM
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Do not beat yourself up we are here to help each other
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Old Sep 21, 2021 | 11:14 AM
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I don't think anyone suspected you of slamming your hood. 🍻
Old Sep 21, 2021 | 11:27 AM
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Depends on your definition I guess lol. I was definitely dropping it from 3"-5" inches . Haven't owned a car like this since 1986 and that's how I closed that one back in the day. Of course it wasn't an OAI. I will definitely be taking more caution with this one.
Old Sep 21, 2021 | 12:02 PM
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I bet every OAI hood has been slammed any number of times over the years, but since the hoods are so darn expensive today, and hard to find too, I just take a little extra precaution and lower the hood until the safety catches, then give it a final push to catch the primary latch before twisting the hood pins down. It may take 5 seconds longer, so no big deal. In my mind at least, I think I doing the right thing as I don't have fiberglass cracks...yet
Old Sep 21, 2021 | 12:26 PM
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Agreed.
Old Sep 21, 2021 | 01:12 PM
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Any glass hood that is over 50 years should be closed slowly
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Old Sep 21, 2021 | 01:16 PM
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X2. I was maybe overly cautious closing my hood. I would push it closed.

Still though. Those cracks seem like something else to me.
Old Sep 21, 2021 | 01:35 PM
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Something else? Do you mean something else other than my theory that the hood is making too hard of a contact somewhere? Either with the inside pin bracket or the hood bumper or?
Old Sep 21, 2021 | 04:51 PM
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I only worked fiberglass in the car stereo world. To me it almost looks like the fiberglass was repaired right at the crack. In that circular pattern. I don't see that happening in a normal circumstance. Like it was cut out and repaired in that pattern. Might make sense to repair the hood to a broader circle. Unfortunately so many 69-72 hoods met the demise of people hitting the nose on whatever. That's one reason 71-72's have the tongue mounted separately. Post a picture of the front of the hood from underneath. Like where the pins come thru.
Old Sep 22, 2021 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by no1oldsfan
I only worked fiberglass in the car stereo world. To me it almost looks like the fiberglass was repaired right at the crack. In that circular pattern. I don't see that happening in a normal circumstance. Like it was cut out and repaired in that pattern. Might make sense to repair the hood to a broader circle. Unfortunately so many 69-72 hoods met the demise of people hitting the nose on whatever. That's one reason 71-72's have the tongue mounted separately. Post a picture of the front of the hood from underneath. Like where the pins come thru.
Here ya go



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Good pictures.

We can see some possibilities for the source of the stress cracks.

In the first picture, there is a crack in the hood frame, starting at the round cushion pad and extending back beyond the hood-pin retainer. Also appears to be a delamination between the hood frame and the fiberglass. Look to the right of the hood retainer, near the edge there is what could be a crack. Examine that spot.

In the second picture there is evidence of heavy contact between the hood pin retainer and the core-support bracket. The upturned edges of the bracket have been hammered down in two areas. The aft bolt of the pin retainer has contacted the bracket.

That contact would cause the stress cracks on the fiberglass surface and in the hood frame.

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Old Sep 23, 2021 | 07:52 AM
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Excellent. Ty. Suggestions on possible adjustments? Replacement of parts?
Old Sep 23, 2021 | 08:21 AM
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The crack in the hood frame must be welded. A Corvette repair shop or a skilled welder can do this without damaging the fiberglass.

The hood pin engages the core-support bracket about thirty thousandths forward of center. Sometimes you can adjust the hood pin retainer to center it better. At worst you will need to nudge the hood back at the hinge. Use some modeling clay to see where the pin engages the retainer. This will prevent contact between the pin and the bracket.

The impact between the bracket and retainer is more serious. You will need to adjust the hood hinges to give more room between those parts, even if other parts of the hood wind up too high.

Remove the rubber bumper, put your modeling clay in the area where the retainer bolt hits. Close the hood gently and engage the pins. Adjust the hinge until you get clearance between those parts.

The delamination between the hood and frame will require adhesive to repair. This is another job for a Corvette shop.

Old Sep 23, 2021 | 08:38 AM
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Wowsers...that's a project right there!!
. I'll put it on my list!!!
For now, until I can get into the depth of what you just explained to me and make that a project in itself... Would you suggest just taking off the receiving bracket on that side? Just to avoid any more hard contact and further damage? The hood still has the two stage latch through the bumper and then up under the nose of the hood so the pin is not the primary latching system for me.

Ty

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Old Sep 24, 2021 | 12:56 PM
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Rather than adjust the hinge to raise the front of the hood, it would be easier to use lower-profile fasteners on the hood pin retainer.


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Ahhhhh yes. That makes sense. I will give that a shot. Mine are a bulkier bolt.
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Old Sep 25, 2021 | 07:23 AM
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Gary here are the photos I mentioned in PM
Old Sep 25, 2021 | 03:30 PM
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Compare this picture to the one in post #29. It appears the hood frame is pushed up between the bolts of the retainer. This picture even shows the bolts holding the retainer are at a slight angle caused by that damage to the hood frame. The retainer is straight, so the problem does not lie there.

You will eventually need to take the hood to a qualified shop that can repair the glass and metal parts. They should be able to weld the crack in the hood frame and pull out the damaged portions of the frame. Don't let them completely separate the frame from the hood unless they have a way to positively and correctly locate the two parts before rebonding. Otherwise your hood will no longer fit your car.

From your pictures, new core-support-mounted brackets would be a good addition.


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"core-support-mounted brackets".
Sorry...please explain. I don't know what this is.
Old Sep 25, 2021 | 07:22 PM
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Could someone reading this thread that has a factory non repaired factory hood please post underside pictures. Possibly the same shots to compare.
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Your pictures 2 and 5 are of core-support-mounted brackets.
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Your pictures 2 and 5 are of core-support-mounted brackets.
Got it. Thank you. Serious learning curve here lol.
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