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Old Jun 15, 2014 | 09:03 PM
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Unhappy mtr knocking

well the 66 425 has a knock when givin gas it misfires and knocks using a stethoscope it sounds from front of mtr both sides and front top of valve covers and fuel pump. at idle nothing . changed oil,cap rotor,everything else is old.so any thoughts
Old Jun 15, 2014 | 09:10 PM
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Disconnect all the belts, if the noise is still there, it may be time to take it apart.
Old Jun 16, 2014 | 09:57 AM
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Misfire, knock could be the dwell is way off...points ignition. Big difference in rod knock vs timing knock... hard to tell with out being there. Cam lobe, broken valve spring, bad valve or disaster in the lower end? Start simple with ignition settings. Read the plugs. Then dig deeper. Please follow up on what you find to complete the thread.
Old Jun 16, 2014 | 11:33 AM
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wouldn't a rod knock be happening all the time ??
Old Jun 16, 2014 | 01:45 PM
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It could be a lot of things, timing chain, rocker arms, lifters, bearings, wrist pins, cam,...
Old Jun 16, 2014 | 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by steve walker
wouldn't a rod knock be happening all the time ??
Not necessarily. I had a rod eat the crank out from under it once on a SBC and it was quiet until the RPMs hit 2100. I could reach 54 MPH so I drove it for a month that way 'till I could get a new/used crank. The bearing never spun in the rod but the crank was eaten away something awful, and only under that rod.
Old Jun 17, 2014 | 01:57 PM
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man the gods have claimed her just shut off no noise she locked up cant get it too move by socket on harmonic bal took cover off real clean chain has sum slop and valvetrain looks real clean no smudge ...that sucks so what would make it lock up I can put a socket on cam and it will move .but on bottom and wah wah wont budge...
Old Jun 17, 2014 | 03:32 PM
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I had a bent rod in my 76 olds 350 and the knock was constant from start up to shut down, Jus sayin'
Old Jun 18, 2014 | 09:33 AM
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Pull the plugs and try to turn it over. Carefully cut open the oil filter (removed from the engine) and see how much metal is in the filter media pleats. Then drain the oil and look for metal. If its truly cooked you will find metal. Time for a tear down. Have you looked at the plugs yet? If you sucked a valve the plug will usually look like it was struck with a sledge hammer.
Old Jun 18, 2014 | 09:36 AM
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A spun bearing will lock up the crank.
Old Jun 18, 2014 | 09:44 AM
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A couple of 425's on CL near Lansing right now. One rebuilt for cheap.

I was going to suggest your knock was from varying timing due to slop in the distributor shaft until you related that it seized.

Rod bearing.
Old Jun 18, 2014 | 02:25 PM
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well it looks like one of the front two .as when I pulled the pan there is a slight amount of metal flake in that area ill try too pull the bottom of both of too see but its still in car ..so ive put some stuff in4sale too help fund the rebuild of the 425 or a 455 .....
Old Jun 18, 2014 | 09:35 PM
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well it was the no 1 rod bearing spun around and locked the mtr pulled rod cap apart and moves now.. sucks theres light scoring on the 1 and 2 rod on the crank others look nice and polished looks like it was cut 10 under as too the rod bearings....
Old Jun 19, 2014 | 04:50 AM
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You will need to have the crank checked for straightness, and probable turning again and have all rod big ends checked for size.
Old Jun 20, 2014 | 09:42 AM
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pffft
get another crank and bearing kit
EASY FIX
MAW do a full teardown and flush the passages out.
Old Jun 20, 2014 | 02:00 PM
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ahh already taking in a crank now to get turned
Old Jun 20, 2014 | 02:04 PM
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If you dont have the rod big end trued you may be doing this again real soon.
Old Jun 20, 2014 | 03:45 PM
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I wish I could but the side of the conn rod was damaged so Ive got spare 425 rods so they will be pressed out ill throw them in the freezer for days then use my press and press them out ...............just kidding place will do them for $5 a piece with a conn rod htr ......
Old Jun 21, 2014 | 09:20 PM
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well started pulling mtr at 530 pm and at 830 pm mtr out felt this one was easy compared to my 455s maybe its cause ive pulled too many 455s
Old Jul 6, 2014 | 10:32 PM
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well back at it

yep ground down/ clean up the oil passages in main and frnt of mtr,and heads. also put epoxy down in lifter valley for ease of oil back to pan. sadly I found that prev a screw had came loose and went in mtr hit a piston and theres a small crack on top were that screw hit so I need a hi comp 425 piston stock bore ...don't think jb weld is going to fix that ..........
Old Jul 22, 2014 | 05:00 PM
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Talking well she's in and running

sounds real good too. fires right up
Old Jul 22, 2014 | 05:22 PM
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Which hi comp piston? Toro or 88-98?
Old Jul 22, 2014 | 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Run to Rund
Which hi comp piston? Toro or 88-98?
hi allready got it.. a toro hi comp one
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