Engine bogging down after 1-2 shift

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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 06:56 PM
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Engine bogging down after 1-2 shift

Intermitently but more often then not the engine will completely bog down after the 1 - 2 shift. This only happens when I am at WOT from a dead stop. If I back off the throttle for a split second then get back onto it again it will power through it.

Any ideas what could be causing this? Timing or carb adjustment.
Old Sep 12, 2011 | 07:02 PM
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Details?

Type of carb., compression, type of ignition, type of cam, type of transmission, converter stall speed?

First guess: You've got a QuadraJet and the secondary air valve spring is adjusted too loose, allowing the air valve to flop open under acceleration, and flooding the engine.

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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 07:05 PM
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Other than a newer quadrajet, Edelbrock performer intake and the recently installed dual exhaust its 100% stock. Still running points ignition, factory cam, TH400 tranny, Stall Speed (NO IDEA).

Do you have a pic of the spring in question?
Old Sep 12, 2011 | 07:10 PM
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1966 car: switch-pitch tranny? Or has it been replaced / converted? Stock converter, presumably.

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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 07:13 PM
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yeah it is a switch pitch. I performed the adjustment as per the manual at its still the same.

This article is interesting.
http://www.montess.org/airvalve.html
Old Sep 12, 2011 | 07:14 PM
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I'm still thinking secondary air valve spring setting.
Either that of gunk in your carb.

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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 07:18 PM
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Im thinking you are correct about the spring. Doubtful the carb is gunked up as it was professionally rebuilt less than 500km ago.
Old Sep 12, 2011 | 07:40 PM
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I don't trust "professionals."

The car owner who spends a week slowly disassembling and cleaning his carb and putting it back together, stopping to re-read the parts of the manual he doesn't understand until he figures it out, will probably do a better job than the guy who can assemble a carb with his eyes closed, doing a dozen or more in a day.

Call me overcautious.

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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 09:17 PM
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If it screams up until a moment before the up shift then I think your carb is running out of gas. Check your float setting for starters.

Of course IMO.
Old Sep 13, 2011 | 03:38 AM
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If it's running out, I'd check the fuel pump.
Since it's not heavily modified, I wouldn't worry about the size of the fuel lines or the spec. capacity of the pump.

He said after the 1-2 shift, though, so I was thinking more carburation, but you may be right...

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Old Sep 13, 2011 | 06:17 AM
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If you feel the carb is ok, I would look at my total timing!
Old Sep 13, 2011 | 11:58 AM
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The issue only happens after the 1-2 shift. NEVER have a problem at high RPM this thing just wants to keep pulling.

Pretty sure its a carb problem since if I back off on the accell slightly and then back on again the bogging will go away.
Old Sep 13, 2011 | 04:54 PM
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My 64 88 has the same issue. I do need my carb rebuilt, but I have had an old time olds mechanics (@ 30 +years exp.) tell me all adjustments are maxed out on my carb including my secondary valve spring. He says it was a common adjustment when he would do a tune-up back in the day.
My car does want to just rip and keep pulling after the second shift!! Can't wait until next year...a rebuilt carb next spring
Old Sep 14, 2011 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 66ninetyeightls
The issue only happens after the 1-2 shift. NEVER have a problem at high RPM this thing just wants to keep pulling.
When you have a fuel delivery problem, it's not just the high RPMs that causes it. It's also the G-force working against your pump. If you're pulling 1g as you accelerate, you're actually asking your pump to "lift" the fuel about 10 feet.

Since the acceleration is quickest in first gear, you are move likely to run out of fuel at the top of first gear, or just after the 1-2 shift, than at the top of 2nd gear.

One more oddball possibility:
Check your coil wire (between coil and center of distributor) and also the plus and minus wires for the coil. If you have a bad connection, and if your 1-2 shift is firm, the jolt might temporarily dislodge the wire and break the connection. I've had this exact situation before. My coil wire was actually sitting almost an inch above the distributor, with the spark normally jumping the distance. But the sudden jolt would separate the wire just enough to cut out the engine, then the wire would return and the spark would continue again. Bizarre.
Old Sep 14, 2011 | 05:28 PM
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Do you get a puff of smoke at all when it happens?
Old Sep 14, 2011 | 05:31 PM
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No nothing.
Old Sep 20, 2011 | 06:47 PM
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So what is the verdict?? Did you find the problem?
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