Time capsule W30 at BJ

Old January 19th, 2018, 05:33 AM
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Time capsule W30 at BJ

Didnít see this mentioned anywhere, but there is a 2300 mile unrestored 70 W30 at Barret Jackson (selling Saturday of course) that is simply amazing.

What a treat to just be able to see it. They didn't have the hood open when we walked by but wow.

#ís, post, bench seat, 4 speed, W27........lots of paperwork.

Thereís also a really nicely restored red 70 post car with w27 and 4 speed with docs.
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Old January 19th, 2018, 06:07 AM
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wow, if that is originally paint it would be great if you can post more pictures of the stripes. Where they end at how the inside wide strip on the hood is a little more squared off then the outside. how far into the door jams they go etc. If you go back can you take more pics?
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Old January 19th, 2018, 06:22 AM
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There are some big questions on that car that nobody seams to be able to answer. It has a restamped carburetor on it and I am told the distributor is not correct. I did not see the car in person but I am told the frame and much of the firewall and under the car had been repainted along with the stripes not original. Again, other than the carburetor I don't know personally.

Also, the W-27 was not original to this car.
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Old January 19th, 2018, 06:24 AM
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Unfortunately, it is in a roped off area.

Looks like original paint.

I haven’t checked the BJ website to look at pictures and full description.
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Old January 19th, 2018, 06:31 AM
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Looking the BJ images, it looks like the drivetrain was detailed. Firewall and floors look crusty.....

Without access to the car or owner, couldn’t respond to claims of carb or dist. #’s.
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Old January 19th, 2018, 06:33 AM
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By the way, I didnt post this to start a nitpick fest, but whatever.

I’ve never seen a 2,000 mile W30, in any condition.
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And I don't mean to nitpick either but I think a potential buyer should have these answers.
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Old January 19th, 2018, 06:40 AM
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So you know the owner or have had access to the car? Please share. Would be cool to know more about this car.

Wish I’d taken pictures of the window sticker and dealer sales forms.

It’s two owner, guy bought from his brother if i recall correctly.
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Old January 19th, 2018, 07:14 AM
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There's a reason the hood and trunk will be shut as much as possible as I thought it had 100k plus the 2300 miles.

The motor was out and scattered in two different counties and 3 stories on past ownership.

Rear stripes almost touched the rear wheel opening moulding on both sides, under hood had zero patina left from the factory, trunk had a fuel pump drilled into it. It goes on and on.

Spent a full days drive to inspect and 30 seconds is all it took.

Hope the pics help answer a few questions out there.
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Other than the picture of the carburetor they posted I can not tell first hand about any of it. I do know that these questions have been raised by people that have looked at the car. I just feel it needs to be acknowledged on threads so someone googling about the car sees that they should ask these questions before bidding. There very well may be good answers to them. I would love to see the car myself as it is a beautiful looking car.
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It's a nice car, but this engine is NOT "unrestored". I do like the fact that they left the faded red inners alone - they are definitively not repros. Unfortunately, when a seller makes claims that are obviously not true, it calls into question all the other claims. This is not a criticism of the car, just a statement of fact.




This is interesting. They have apparently installed a incorrect TH400 e-brake cable, which prevented them from connecting the hook that goes on the passenger side of the crossmember. It's a brand new cable, so it may have just been an incorrect part installed, or it may be that this car was converted from a TH400 car - which would explain why the lower frame rails were painted - to hide the fact that the crossmember was at one time bolted in further back. Again, I don't know this, just saying that there are unanswered questions about what is supposed to be a high dollar car. Of course, those stainless (or is it HPC-coated) exhaust pipes aren't "original" either.

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Wow...that’s a bummer. So the car’s been painted as well. Didn’t look like modern paint.

Hopefully prospective bidders look here first!

As you were.......
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Old January 19th, 2018, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by w30rocketdr View Post
Under hood
Where did that photo come from? The car had a line lock at one time? So much for "unrestored".
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Interior was a rat's nest at some point in it's hard life.
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Originally Posted by jozw30 View Post
Unfortunately, it is in a roped off area.

Looks like original paint.

I havenít checked the BJ website to look at pictures and full description.
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In fairness the description actually says “unmolested” not unrestored. My bad.
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Originally Posted by BarretJackson website
Lot #1309.1 - This is a survivor, W30/W27, close ratio 4-speed Olds 442 in its original paint with 2,306 original miles (title reads mileage exempt). It is an unmolested, full matching-numbers piece of history.
So this is yet another mis-represented car at BJ?
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Originally Posted by jozw30 View Post
In fairness the description actually says ďunmolestedĒ not unrestored. My bad.
If the motor has been out, I'd say it was "molested"...
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The F word

At what point does the F word come into play?


F as in FRAUD.
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Originally Posted by oldsmobiledave View Post
At what point does the F word come into play?


F as in FRAUD.
BJ's lawyers long ago crafted a disclaimer that absolves them of any responsibility for incorrect statements in the description. Here's the BJ bidder's agreement. Note the very first item under Terms and Conditions.
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano View Post
If the motor has been out, I'd say it was "molested"...
I was being sarcastic, but you are right.

I guess Iíd look at this thing like a nice, documented (assuming that stuff is real), driver or restoration candidate.
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano View Post
BJ's lawyers long ago crafted a disclaimer that absolves them of any responsibility for incorrect statements in the description. Here's the BJ bidder's agreement. Note the very first item under Terms and Conditions.

I was referring to the consigner not B-J. This auction house has a long history of selling cars that are not as presented. A simple Google search reveals countless incidents.
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Originally Posted by oldsmobiledave View Post
I was referring to the consigner not B-J. This auction house has a long history of selling cars that are not as presented. A simple Google search reveals countless incidents.
No argument on that. Fortunately for these sellers, there are plenty of people with waaaay more money than brains.
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Originally Posted by stevengerard View Post
wow, if that is originally paint it would be great if you can post more pictures of the stripes. Where they end at how the inside wide strip on the hood is a little more squared off then the outside. how far into the door jams they go etc. If you go back can you take more pics?

Umm, never mind. I'll just look at my car - its an all numbers matching car anyway. And to top it off mine is an unmolested, all original, low mileage, never touched car with one repaint a few repo parts and a rebuilt motor. The tires have been replaced but I reused the original air in them.
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Angry W 30

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Offered up a correct carb and other parts, for the lowest mileage W30 in the world, but I think the owner thought the parts were too expensive. LOL Now that's ironic for BJ !
Bet the car still does $130 +
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano View Post
Where did that photo come from? The car had a line lock at one time? So much for "unrestored".
Is the line lock the module on the fender?
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Bet the car still does $130 +
A fool and his money will soon be parted .
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I love this site!! Iím not a buyer but I would have never known.
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Originally Posted by Turnpike View Post
Is the line lock the module on the fender?
I assume. It would be the only reason to plumb something like that into the brake lines. That and the electric pump in the trunk imply that the miles were all applied 1/4 mile at a time.
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano View Post
I assume. It would be the only reason to plumb something like that into the brake lines. That and the electric pump in the trunk imply that the miles were all applied 1/4 mile at a time.
And that would be honest and in this crazy market add more stupid value to the car than saying unmolested. Add "barn find" or "x amount of miles a 1/4 mile at a time" and you add 50% to a cars value.

Hmm, if I drive around my block once each day I can soon add that to my description

BTW I still think its a great looking car - I'm biased though

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And that would be a more honest
Agreed. My 68 W-30 is the same. 27K original miles, all applied 1/4 mile at a time. It also sat in a field for years and has bullet holes in the windshield. Apparently "yard find" is the new term that has everyone excited...
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Agreed. My 68 W-30 is the same. 27K original miles, all applied 1/4 mile at a time. It also sat in a field for years and has bullet holes in the windshield. Apparently "yard find" is the new term that has everyone excited...
Wow Joe, just imagine it's worth if you claim it was used in a famous bank robbery and chase. Patty Hearst and the SLA?
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Wow Joe, just imagine it's worth if you claim it was used in a famous bank robbery and chase. Patty Hearst and the SLA?
Oh! I'll have to use that.
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