Check this out.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Oldsm...fCarsQ5fTrucks

The claim is it's an untouched original...and judging from all the rust it's believeable. But something is amiss. Look closely at the two engine pics and you'll notice both fenders have the crush bumps on the top inner edge. This car was made a week after mine in March 1970 and mine has the flat inner edge fenders. Me thinks all is not right in Mudville.

later,
bob

 

pretty cool find, man how are these things still found and its never me Those are definitely 71 fenders, and just because the car is rusting doesn't mean it wasn't repaired 25 years ago. I saw two cars at a car show this weekend, one was supposedly an all original 70 442, looked just like this car but has 71 fenders, the other car was a pace car in nice condition and looked all original, plenty of age wear but no rust. I looked the car over for a long time and everyone that went by commented on how it was an "original" or a "survivor" I eventually met the owner and he said it only looked like a survivor because he redid the car when he was a kid in the late 70s so you just never know. I'm sure this W30 was worked on years ago to have those fenders, but I's still like to be bidding on it

 

Cool Find. Notice the Intake is 71-72 as it says OLDS not Oldsmobile as 1970. I have seen this before on late production cars which could also account for the 71 style Fenders.

Just my thoughts

Danny S.

 

'70 could have either...."OLDS"(later manifolds) or "OLDSMOBILE"(early). Same PN 406115. You're slipping Dan...it's all those wheelies!!

 

I think Dan said that the late 70s could have the "OLDS" intake so maybe they could have the fenders with the crumple zones as the 71 do. That was my point as well, I have seen a few cars recently that were supposedly never touched with what are typically considered 71/72 fenders with the crumple zones, could late production 1970 cars have 71 fenders just like late 70 W30s had the "OLDS" on the manifold?

 

Hi Guys,

Guess it depends on what you mean by "late" production. The car in question was made in March....which is right in the middle of the production year.....no? I also recall from days way back when I was researching w30 intakes that the ones saying "Oldsmobile" rather than "Olds" were only used the first few months of 1970 production before being replaced with what's now considered the 71-72 version. I remember it was considered quite rare to find a 70 W30 intake with the full word "Oldsmobile" on it. I ended up buying one that came off one of the original pace cars and the guy who was restoring the car tracked me down to try to buy it back. My 1970's W30 intake, which I was told was original to the car, says "Olds 455" and my car was made a week before this one on eBay. Just food for thought.

Have a good night,
bob

 

Actually, the more I think about those fenders......even though mine doesn't have the bumps and was made just before this one.....whenever new Federal crash regulations were made for the year they were effective from Jan 1 of that year. It may have taken Olds about 3 months to make the tooling changes to the fenders and start cranking them out. An interesting subject.

take care,
bob

 

but if it took effect Jan 1 then I would guess anything made after that would have to have them on which means most 70 cars would have those fenders. I don't know if the regulations were for the model year or for the calendar year. I would guess mostly for the model year. I'd still be willing to bet those are 71 fenders, probably original ones or purchased from the dealer years later to fix the car.

 

The intakes WEREN'T replaced with the '71/2 version for later '70 cars. The 71/2 version has a completely different PN than the 406115 that appears on both '70 versions.

So there's 3 versions of the W-30 aluminum intakes.

From my experience, it's typically the other way around on the fenders also....lots of '71 cars were cranked out with the flat ridge "70" fenders. They had to use them up since they already made them.

Clarifying a bit.

 

Why did they try to paint over the rust with white paint? Look closely.
Real W30 or not, the owner is misrepresenting how bad the body is.

 

W30 intakes switched from "Oldsmobile" to "Olds" in early December 1969. I believe the latest cast date I've seen for an "Olds" is 12/9/69. (Patton, I think that's the date of the one you bought from me, correct?)

 

My 70 w30 was built in June 1970 (06A) and the car still retains it's original flat top fenders NO crumple zone "bumps".

Thanks

 

Good informative discussion....thanks. The December 69 changeover date for the intake rings a bell. That's right. As for when they implemented Federal requirements....I know it was based on the calander year, not the model year....I learned that years ago when discussing oddities on another car...but I really don't remember the details. Something is definitely amiss with that Barn Find W30....I didn't notice the overpaint on the quarters, and now we know the fenders should be flat without the bumps. Not real sure what to make of it, but I don't know if the seller is smart enough to know he's mis-representing the car.

Take care,
bob

 

Come on!!----the body on that car is just fine. It's the rust that's bad.

The car was probably repainted in the past....no W-30 side stripes. Rust in those areas comes from the INSIDE OUT and paint can survive a long time on top of rust areas. (Correction...yeah..you can see where someone tried to "touch up" the rust areas with a too-white-to-match paint in a feeble attempt to make it a little more photogenic)

You people are just being picky

Allyolds68---I don't remember on the intake. I cut it up and used it for filling heat riser passages on some heads I had since the consensus seemed to be that aluminum is better than zinc for filling those passages. My thinking was that factory, Olds aluminum from a similar era Olds motor (the heads were E's and C's so they were from a similar era) would be a perfect match and wouldn't shrink as much as newer aluminum or zinc. So far no problems....no rattling or apparent shrinkage.

 

Did you cut up the area that had the date code on it? ..... or did you cut up a complete early 70 W30 manifold?

 

Wow.........I'm surprised how much is being bid for this car. You guys up for a little gentleman's bet on what it finally goes for??

I'll go first.......I say it will sell for $18,500

Who's next?

bob

 

Could be a put together car, or who knows, it is 40 years old. Who says someone didn't crash it early in its life and have to swap out the front end. Of course, an accident would have smashed the red inner fenders too.........

 

My take is that it really is an original W-30. Too bad it's an A/C car, however, since those didn't get the 328 deg "W-30" cam. And of course, that's a broadcast card, not a "build sheet". Still, this is a lot closer to original than that 1964 Faux-Four-Two in the other thread.

Of course, I've got $10 that says reserve will not be met.

 

I say it hits 24k and still does not hit reserve

 

Talk about a deal.........I'd buy this Rallye 350 for $4500 before that Barn Find W30. Check it out.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Oldsm...fCarsQ5fTrucks

bob

 

That Rallye 350 was on craigslist for $4000 until yesterday.

 

The Yellow car looks like a complete rust bucket to me. Take a close look at the pictures. Rust everywhere.

 

I agree with you Pat. Alot of these Florida cars spent their early years in the northeast or midwest and after a bunch of winters driving around on salt covered roads they ended up in Florida. Then our salt air went to work on them. Story of my car anyways.

 

Now 'Hold on thar, Bobalouie!'......we can't have anybody being puzzled....it's just not right. Coldwar...the Rocket Rallye Pac was an option....even on the Rallye 350. The only mandatory options for the Rallye 350 were the hood, sport steering wheel, outside sport mirrors, rear deck wing (spoiler), rally suspension, and dual exhaust. Anything else you wanted "yer paid extree fer". Hope that unpuzzles yer puzzler.

later,
bob

 

Ok........how so you guys put a picture with your username in the left side block besides your post??? I must have missed that instruction. Coldwar's pic still has me laughing!!!

thanks,
bob

 

The hood is an aftermarket piece...all glass. Just in case anyone here is bidding this thing and counting on a sum-of-the-parts value to cover them.

Cross the hood of your list...at least at a value anywhere near what a real, original one might bring.

 

Rusty...

 

Yes, its a challenge to figure out what the W30 option came with, but if you know where to look its all there.... kind of. It was an engine option more than anything, plus the fiberglass hood, W30 paint scheme, w30 emblems, red inner fender wells, lightweight body insulation, side veiw mirrors, and tires. From order form I have the W30 package included W30, D35 (mirrors) and PK5 (G70x14). And it says manual brakes, but of course in 70 with an automatic you could order power disc brakes and even AC. Many folks will look at a W30 and say its fake because it has a standard steering wheel, standard gauges or even a column shift, but that's ok, you had to order the console, sport steering wheel or the rally pac. Now I have even heard people say a bench seat car can't be a W30, 442s came standard with buckets but many folks ordered them with benches. Interestingly I just noticed on the documentation I have it says nothing about the rear spoiler being part of the W30 package - I need to look at the assembly manual, I have never seen a W30 coupe without the spoiler. Though the Rallye 350 package does require the W35 rear deck lid air spoiler.

I just checked some sales literature and it does not include the rear spoiler either on the W30 but says it is an option.

 

The spoiler was not part of the W-30 or W-31 packages.

 

Thanks Patton for the confirmation, so this is the first W30 coupe I have seen without the rear spoiler. I'm sure there are more out there.... I'll have to pay more attention from now on.

 

It is always interesting to see un-restored cars pop up regardless if they are a 442, or base Cutlass . It is amazing to see just how little if any paint the suppliers or the factory put on parts like brackets, fire-wall, radiator support etc.I have seen other 'survivors' with rusted brackets like this one.. It would be interesting to see a low miles, cared for survivor car. to see which parts were truly painted, how much coverage, to see how the car truly looked from the factory,. Note the engine paint color as well. Looks factory...

 

Hey.....it sold! And I was close. Sold for $17,300 and I guessed $18,500. Don't know when the reserve was met.

So......was it a good buy????

later,
bob

 

Now you've gone and done it. The last person that laughed at his ears caused him to drop of the site for several months. Us Mods had to apologize all over the place to get him back he is a very sensitive fellow.

Its ok Coldwar you can come back now he didn't mean it

 

Damn.....went and did it again. Sorry Coldwar....I wasn't making fun of your picture....really. I was just making fun of the fact that it was black and white. I haven't seen a black and white pic in so many years I just thought it was funny. Really......you're one goooood looking dude! Even those Obama ears look good on you!

later,
bob