70 442 W-30... restoration
#561
Beautiful, I'm glad your happy with them as my 71 pearl white order from Legendary is due anytime. I've been enjoying your restoration work immensely and appreciate the detailed info and pictures.
#562
Stuck my emblems in the driver side fender just to see what it looked like. Had just a little to much paint in the holes. I had to use a small fine file to get some of the paint out. After that they fit like a glove. They look like they are crooked but it is the original finder with the factory stampings. The passenger side fender is not the original to the car and the body guy drilled them one size to small. I will get a little reemer and massage them to the correct size. I will brush a little paint into the holes to keep them from turning brown or rusting under the emblems.
Can I remove and install the emblems with the fenders on the car and the inner fenders out? I think I have done that before but now I am second guessing myself. If I ever add the stripes I will have to get the W-30 emblem off.
Can I remove and install the emblems with the fenders on the car and the inner fenders out? I think I have done that before but now I am second guessing myself. If I ever add the stripes I will have to get the W-30 emblem off.
You need to use barrel nuts in the emblem holes. This allows the emblems to be popped off when you wax the car. Body shop supply stores sell them. No nuts needed.
#563
#564
I dug the front seats out this morning. I was taking some of them apart and found a pay stub from the 70s. It is from a Pizza place. I came in and looked up when $2.10 was the minimum wage and that was in 1975. I think either he was making more than Minimum or this is not from the original owner. The original owner graduated in 1971 and worked for the family lumber company after that from what i understand. The wife to the original owner did tell me that they sold it around 1975 so I bet this is from the second owner that I still can not locate.
Also found a receipt from 1980. This date is the newest date I found in the car to this point. The guy I got it from bought it and parked it in 1981.
Also found a receipt from 1980. This date is the newest date I found in the car to this point. The guy I got it from bought it and parked it in 1981.
A little more infor on this. I looked it up and in 1976 minimum wage went over $2.10 per hour. So this has to be 1975 and from the second owner. I had emailed the wife to the original owner about this and other things and this is her response.
"No he didn't work there only ate there. They no longer exist, Papa Joe passed away several years ago. They probably opened Mt. Dew & threw the caps in the seat or floor!!! If those doors & seats could only talk, but you have found some information. Thanks for sharing.."
She has shared a couple stories about the cars past but not much. We are taking the car down there this summer for her to see it.
#565
#566
I got the door panel parts crossed over to the new Legendary door panels. Another member informed me that the NOS reflectors are not the same as what came on the cars when new. I had to use the NOS ones anyway. I don't have any used ones that are nice enough. I have several with nice chrome but the red reflector is not that nice. I will just have to live with these.
Plan to take the seats and back armrest panels to the shop that is doing my headliner this week.
Plan to take the seats and back armrest panels to the shop that is doing my headliner this week.
#568
#569
Shop called and said I can pick up the car tomorrow. They have the headliner done. I am dropping off the seats when I pick it up. Not sure what most places charge to install a headliner but they are charging me $350. Much better than I thought it would be. I tried one on my Rallye 350 and it didn't go so well. It is worth the $350 to me. Now i should be making good progress.
I assembled the mirrors tonight. I still have to clean the mechanism for the driver side. It is gunked up something terrible. Also missing a bag of extra mirror parts. Something else I misplaced after our basement flood. I need to replace the **** but can't find my extras.
I assembled the mirrors tonight. I still have to clean the mechanism for the driver side. It is gunked up something terrible. Also missing a bag of extra mirror parts. Something else I misplaced after our basement flood. I need to replace the **** but can't find my extras.
#572
jensenracing77: OK, went back and looked real close on the "tapped" body mount. Never saw that done, hmmmmmmmmmmmmm???? Me thinking.................... I have taken apart about 30+ Lansing A body cars from 68-72 and have not seen that on any of those cars. I have seen tapped mounts on Arlington and Freemont cars though, however not always and I have stripped about 20+ of those! My F-85 had original mounts and did not have tape.
Questions: were "all" the mounts tapped like that? Or just certain ones? Is the tape cloth, paper, or vinyl?
Maybe the tape after several decades deteriorates and just falls off?
The "Green Paint markings" are done in the "Sub-assembly Shop" to indicate that the nuts were in place, properly torqued, and safety cotter keyed when the ball joints are attached to the spindles. Testers makes the correct green enamel paint that matches!
Questions: were "all" the mounts tapped like that? Or just certain ones? Is the tape cloth, paper, or vinyl?
Maybe the tape after several decades deteriorates and just falls off?
The "Green Paint markings" are done in the "Sub-assembly Shop" to indicate that the nuts were in place, properly torqued, and safety cotter keyed when the ball joints are attached to the spindles. Testers makes the correct green enamel paint that matches!
#573
I saw this post from way back at the beginning and had to comment. I have had the bodies off more of these cars than I can count.Most I have found with tape on the mounts(masking tape) I have a few mounts laying around here somewhere with tape still on them. These were almost all Lansing cars a couple of Fremont cars.
Greg
Greg
#574
I saw this post from way back at the beginning and had to comment. I have had the bodies off more of these cars than I can count.Most I have found with tape on the mounts(masking tape) I have a few mounts laying around here somewhere with tape still on them. These were almost all Lansing cars a couple of Fremont cars.
Greg
Greg
#577
Just the work from the body guy, bodywork and paint was $11,500. That also includes the soda and media blasting. My car was the last car for his old shop rate. It would likely be over $15,000 if it were under his new rate.
#578
#579
this is an order post but I have question as to the screen under the hood. I ordered a 1970 442 w 30, 4 speed from the factory and it did not have a screen. I can't see why one would be needed the air filter would stop anything from going into the carb.
#580
I got my replacement seat backs from Legendary to replace the broken ones I got the first time. They goofed up and sent me black ones. Maybe the third time will be correct?
#581
I reluctantly made another order with Inline Tube. I think this is order #8 in 2 years. (not all of them for this car) This is the first order that they got correct.
The bottom decal is a reproduction for the 80s and not sure who made it. The top is the new Inline Tube reproduction. The inline tube decal is not even close to the original I have. At this time I can not find my original but in the past I compared the old one I have to it and it was very close to the same. Does anyone have a picture of there original they would like to share?
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The bottom decal is a reproduction for the 80s and not sure who made it. The top is the new Inline Tube reproduction. The inline tube decal is not even close to the original I have. At this time I can not find my original but in the past I compared the old one I have to it and it was very close to the same. Does anyone have a picture of there original they would like to share?
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#582
#584
I did not think these wheels would turn out near this good. I left them sitting outside since summer of 2013. I used duct tape and taped off the spokes and around the base and then glass bead blasted them. I only did the outside and not sure how I will do the inside. I will need a bigger sand blaster for that side. 4 of these are going to turn out great but the 5th one has some pitting on the rim that will take some work. All the chrome looks great!
Can anyone read the date code? I took them off of a 71 442 Convertible and think they were original to it.
Can anyone read the date code? I took them off of a 71 442 Convertible and think they were original to it.
#586
I did not think these wheels would turn out near this good. I left them sitting outside since summer of 2013. I used duct tape and taped off the spokes and around the base and then glass bead blasted them. I only did the outside and not sure how I will do the inside. I will need a bigger sand blaster for that side. 4 of these are going to turn out great but the 5th one has some pitting on the rim that will take some work. All the chrome looks great!
Can anyone read the date code? I took them off of a 71 442 Convertible and think they were original to it.
Can anyone read the date code? I took them off of a 71 442 Convertible and think they were original to it.
I believe the date is March 17 (the 3 and the 17) of 1970 (the zero under the M4). The M4 is the plant code, I think.
#587
Started with 0000 steel wool and then chrome polish.
#588
Not done much for a couple weeks. Between work and weather I just can't get myself motivated. Things have been real tough and stressful at work but I should be through that for a while. I did paint a wheel over the weekend but i don't like it and going to do it over. I was not motivated and the work showed it. Looks like we will be in the 40s this weekend so I will likely get out there for a full day Saturday. That is if I am in a better mood and like the work.
Took a complete break Sunday and listed several Lionel trains on ebay and played with them most of the day. That was much needed. I didn't think about work and very little about Oldsmobiles that day.
Took a complete break Sunday and listed several Lionel trains on ebay and played with them most of the day. That was much needed. I didn't think about work and very little about Oldsmobiles that day.
Last edited by jensenracing77; March 2nd, 2015 at 05:55 PM.
#589
Not done much for a couple weeks. Between work and weather I just can't get myself motivated. Things have been real tough and stressful at work but I should be through that for a while. I did paint a wheel over the weekend but i don't like it and going to do it over. I was not motivated and the work showed it. Looks like we will be in the 40s this weekend so I will likely get out there for a full day Saturday. That is if I am in a better mood and like the work.
Took a complete break Sunday and listed several Lionel trains on ebay and played with them most of the day. That was much needed. I didn't think about work and very little about Oldsmobiles that day.
Took a complete break Sunday and listed several Lionel trains on ebay and played with them most of the day. That was much needed. I didn't think about work and very little about Oldsmobiles that day.
Same here Eric. It is a waste of effort to just plow through some task you aren't feeling since you just wind up having to go back and redo it. My low point came in doing the lamp assemblies - I hated this task - some parts I had to redo three times.
#590
I did not think these wheels would turn out near this good. I left them sitting outside since summer of 2013. I used duct tape and taped off the spokes and around the base and then glass bead blasted them. I only did the outside and not sure how I will do the inside. I will need a bigger sand blaster for that side. 4 of these are going to turn out great but the 5th one has some pitting on the rim that will take some work. All the chrome looks great!
Can anyone read the date code? I took them off of a 71 442 Convertible and think they were original to it.
Can anyone read the date code? I took them off of a 71 442 Convertible and think they were original to it.
Wheel looks good ! As well as the rest of the build, been following along. Just did a set last fall for my 69 442. I be interested also if anybody is certain what the codes mean. My 69 should not have trim rings, but it was a later build 69, so always been trying to confirm if my wheels could be original or not. The inside rim markings are the same as mine.
#591
Here is a picture of my tag. I wish I would have preserved it when I bought it in 1987, but I just drove the **** out of it.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hdmjbwhoub...uneup.JPG?dl=0
Right click to view original (for super size)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hdmjbwhoub...uneup.JPG?dl=0
Right click to view original (for super size)
#592
I've been following the superb work here without much to add. The masking tape on the body mount discussion brings up the question--what are you guys doing for coloring the body mounts? I assume your doing this yourselves as I'm unaware of anyone selling them colored.
Thanks.
Thanks.
#593
I've been following the superb work here without much to add. The masking tape on the body mount discussion brings up the question--what are you guys doing for coloring the body mounts? I assume your doing this yourselves as I'm unaware of anyone selling them colored.
Thanks.
Thanks.
https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...-question.html
Since then, I took some fabric paint and painted an extra one. I have flexed that one hard and even smashed it in a vice and can not get it to crack or peel off. They do not make it in the correct colors so you would have to mix it yourself. I decided to keep what I have and not do it over with fabric paint.
#594
Thanks for directing me to that thread--very informative When I did my Chevelle years ago, I recall there may have been a little white on a couple of bushings. I need to go back and see if I have any notes. But certainly not the full colors found on the Oldsmobile. I guess I need to go paint shopping this week.
#596
I tied up several loose ends today. Installed the heater hoses and ended up using the factory style clamps. I did not want to use the spring style but couldn't find an alternative I liked. I think it is going to be fine for the hose from the pump to the heater core but not sure about the other hose. It just didn't fit that tight. I ended up using some RTV on the hose and slipped it on and then clamped it. I am still not convinced it is going to hold. I have to get a new wire style clamp for the bypass hose.
Also installed the fuel hoses from the tank to the hard lines and installed the NOS 890 alternator. I was not going to use it but decided what the heck.
The fan clutch I had on this car was not working correct when testing everything last summer. I got another one from my pile and cleaned it up and installed it. I got an OU clutch. I do not think it is correct but I can not find the other OW clutch I was going to use and the OS clutch I have is not any good either.
Also installed the fuel hoses from the tank to the hard lines and installed the NOS 890 alternator. I was not going to use it but decided what the heck.
The fan clutch I had on this car was not working correct when testing everything last summer. I got another one from my pile and cleaned it up and installed it. I got an OU clutch. I do not think it is correct but I can not find the other OW clutch I was going to use and the OS clutch I have is not any good either.
#598
It is the original to the car. I had it rebuilt by White Post. I painted it after I got it back. They have them a cast color when they get done with them. I don't know what is correct but I thought it was black. I like how they look when black.
#599
I found a bug today. My shift linkage is hitting the exhaust. I can not shift into second or first gear. I got the exhaust from Inline Tube. I still need to adjust the entire exhaust system and it is all loose. From what I am seeing, I do not think there is enough adjustment that can be made to keep the linkage from hitting. Anyone see anything wrong that I did?