68 H/O heater delete?
#2
Interesting question... I'd say an original window sticker would work as well, as well as pre-restoration evidence. Is there one out there? I know some have been known radio delete, but I hadn't heard of a true heater delete...
#3
My 68 Hurst had the IBM punch card not a build sheet......it was under the carpet and listed all of the options.....strippo 68 H/O's are more common than you think. Mine did not have rally pack or wood wheel.....
#6
But from what I can tell, you could have the full size steel wheels with wheel covers. Ugly with the covers, but cool as just black steel wheels with them off... You can see some in the Demmer photos.
#8
Delete yup we made them!
Strange? I talked with a Older guy that Owns a 68 442 A/C delete bought in Lansing. the funny thing on that his identical twin bought one too! Both were purchased to race but his brother sold his 20+ years ago.
#10
what is normal
The firewall on A/C cars is different. the delete plate is different. No hole in the fender or quarter for the antenna so the plates on the firewall and the dash are fake? the dash plates are the same plastic color and texture Normal.
D.W.
#11
OK,ask him for proof or pictures showing the heater delete. As Joe said,the heater was required for cars for US use starting in 68. I'm not saying it wasn't possible but without actual documented proof,it's unlikely.
#12
What are you saying?
We all know that Heat and A/C bodies had firewall differences.
But there is no such thing as "A/C delete."
If you didn't want A/C, then you got a heater. That's not "delete." It's choosing not to buy an option.
If you didn't want a heater in '67 and earlier, even though it was standard, you could have it deleted by special order.
That's "heater delete."
Same thing goes for the radio. The radio was an option. If you didn't want it, you didn't order the option. It didn't come with the car unless it was ordered, so not ordering it is not "deleting" it, it is simply getting the normal base car.
- Eric
#13
Some builds, mostly Buick A bodies, were made with AC firewalls due to availability issues on the line. If the car was to have only a heater, the line installed cover plates on the firewall to revert the firewall to accept the normal heater box. Afaik these covers were never available through the parts dept (neither were the C48 heater delete firewall covers). The dash cover up to 67 was available for C48 cars.
#14
I'm a bit curious as to how well engineered these covers were (locations of ribs, etc.).
Anyone got a picture?
- Eric
#15
Deleted?
I will ask, Maybe they were done at the dealership? He said they were deleted when he and his brother bought them new, he did have a sponsorship from the dealer.
D.W.
D.W.
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#16
A dealership sponsoring him for racing and helping prep the car is a whole other thing, and not unlikely at all.
- Eric
#18
?????
What are you saying?
We all know that Heat and A/C bodies had firewall differences.
But there is no such thing as "A/C delete."
If you didn't want A/C, then you got a heater. That's not "delete." It's choosing not to buy an option.
If you didn't want a heater in '67 and earlier, even though it was standard, you could have it deleted by special order.
That's "heater delete."
Same thing goes for the radio. The radio was an option. If you didn't want it, you didn't order the option. It didn't come with the car unless it was ordered, so not ordering it is not "deleting" it, it is simply getting the normal base car.
- Eric
What are you saying?
We all know that Heat and A/C bodies had firewall differences.
But there is no such thing as "A/C delete."
If you didn't want A/C, then you got a heater. That's not "delete." It's choosing not to buy an option.
If you didn't want a heater in '67 and earlier, even though it was standard, you could have it deleted by special order.
That's "heater delete."
Same thing goes for the radio. The radio was an option. If you didn't want it, you didn't order the option. It didn't come with the car unless it was ordered, so not ordering it is not "deleting" it, it is simply getting the normal base car.
- Eric
#19
Exactly. While different trim levels did include some non-trim features (larger engines, carpeting instead of rubber mats), there were no "option packages" that included a radio, or P/S, or P/B, or A/C, or power windows.
Even on the 98 and Toronado, the radio, A/C, and power windows were optional, and you didn't get them without checking the box and paying extra for them.
- Eric
Even on the 98 and Toronado, the radio, A/C, and power windows were optional, and you didn't get them without checking the box and paying extra for them.
- Eric
#20
Interesting,I always thought and was told that the Feds changed the heater requirement in 68,not 70. I know you pulled a lot of the delete parts in HI,so I'm not going to debate you on this. I may do some research though for knowledge,thanks for the info.
#21
Is it possible that the option of deleting the standard heater was only commonly offered in certain markets, such as Hawaii, in '68 to '70, and kept on the down-low in other places, but still obtainable if the buyer knew and pushed for it?
- Eric
- Eric
#22
It could be cars sent to HI were considered export,therefore heater delete was available. In all of my 35 + years of the hobby,I've never seen a 68 heater delete car.
#23
Cars sent to Hawaii (the 50th State) is not considered export. Further, Hawaii is not the only State that got heater delete cars, other States such as California, Arizona, and New Mexico also got heater delete cars.
#24
It might be interesting to see what the 68 engine assembly section in the PIM would have to say about this. There would have to be something about heater delete listing changes to the engine assembly and bill of materials specifying some kind of block off for the intake manifold heater port as well as something about a special water pump or a block off on that unit as well.
#25
It might be interesting to see what the 68 engine assembly section in the PIM would have to say about this. There would have to be something about heater delete listing changes to the engine assembly and bill of materials specifying some kind of block off for the intake manifold heater port as well as something about a special water pump or a block off on that unit as well.
Joe,
Also, (different) dash insulation pad that covered where the heater box was used. The pads were not cut for a heater to be installed. Also, a plug with clamp covered the nipple on the intake manifold and water pump nipple.
There was a 68 Hurst Olds that was raced in Honolulu, that car was originally from Utah, and converted to a heater delete.
#27
It might be interesting to see what the 68 engine assembly section in the PIM would have to say about this. There would have to be something about heater delete listing changes to the engine assembly and bill of materials specifying some kind of block off for the intake manifold heater port as well as something about a special water pump or a block off on that unit as well.
PIM section 1-3, Page 400 shows the "Heater Control Hole Cover" for the dash HVAC controls and states Export Only on the drawing.
There might be a block off plate section for the firewall too, but I ran out of time to dig for it...
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