Oldsmobile intake thread
#81
"You have included 27 images in your message. You are limited to using 20 images" harumph.
Thanks to Photobucket for failing to upload many of these, then re-ordering them for me so I could use an extra hour or so time to get these right....ish.
Anyone got a #5 intake? Anyone ever seen one?
This covers most of the mundane Small Block factory offerings.
CO, please don't LOSE THIS like them ingrates over at ROP.
_1-920_64-330_Olds-Intake_Torque-Seq_zps32b2385d.jpg
_2-059_6282_64-El-Cutlass_A1-Intake64-4424bbl_zps02934418.jpg
_3-135_66-330_INTAKE2-bbl_zps21fd8c20.jpg
_4-691_65-330_INTAKE_zpsd90eac1e.jpg
[no #5 manifold photos - does it exist? ]
_6-327_330_Intake__zpsa55d3654.jpg
_7-356_67-330_INTAKE_2-bbl_zps501c08c2.jpg
_9-663_3334_69-W31_INTAKE_A1-398663_zps6c8f475b.jpg
_10-520_70-3504-bbl404520_zpsd0de3ba2.jpg
_11-564_1970-350_INTAKE_zpsd8a30374.jpg
_12-565_INTAKE_12_zps9b54106c.jpg
_14-446_72-350_INTAKE_zps27eac47c.jpg
_15-869_73-350-2_INTAKE_EGR_zps31c39943.jpg
_16-990_NoLogo_zps25694114.jpg
_16-990_73-76350Intake__zps9f01cdcf.jpg
_17_INTAKE_SB_zps338f2746.jpg
Search key word: 2 of each letter: iinnttaakkee
Thanks to Photobucket for failing to upload many of these, then re-ordering them for me so I could use an extra hour or so time to get these right....ish.
Anyone got a #5 intake? Anyone ever seen one?
This covers most of the mundane Small Block factory offerings.
CO, please don't LOSE THIS like them ingrates over at ROP.
_1-920_64-330_Olds-Intake_Torque-Seq_zps32b2385d.jpg
_2-059_6282_64-El-Cutlass_A1-Intake64-4424bbl_zps02934418.jpg
_3-135_66-330_INTAKE2-bbl_zps21fd8c20.jpg
_4-691_65-330_INTAKE_zpsd90eac1e.jpg
[no #5 manifold photos - does it exist? ]
_6-327_330_Intake__zpsa55d3654.jpg
_7-356_67-330_INTAKE_2-bbl_zps501c08c2.jpg
_9-663_3334_69-W31_INTAKE_A1-398663_zps6c8f475b.jpg
_10-520_70-3504-bbl404520_zpsd0de3ba2.jpg
_11-564_1970-350_INTAKE_zpsd8a30374.jpg
_12-565_INTAKE_12_zps9b54106c.jpg
_14-446_72-350_INTAKE_zps27eac47c.jpg
_15-869_73-350-2_INTAKE_EGR_zps31c39943.jpg
_16-990_NoLogo_zps25694114.jpg
_16-990_73-76350Intake__zps9f01cdcf.jpg
_17_INTAKE_SB_zps338f2746.jpg
Search key word: 2 of each letter: iinnttaakkee
Last edited by Octania; September 3rd, 2015 at 09:31 AM. Reason: add search word iinnttaakkee
#82
And the post-#17 units:
_A1-916_260_INTAKE_zps1b0d6ecd.jpg
_A2-085_260_INTAKE_zps9a7563c0.jpg
[No A3 Intake is known to exist...]
_A4-086_INTAKE_22504068_zps17a8df64.jpg
_A5-212_INTAKE_zpsaac5955f.jpg
"E" for EGR era intakes, iron units made before the AL units were developed?
_E1-559_INTAKE_1_1976-260_Dual-Jet_A1_zps24c77782.jpg
_E3-908_INTAKE_3-558908_zps55ccafd1.jpg
Rare BB intake, judging by the high main ID letter, probably about 1976. Obviously Toronado...
key for finding this thread 13099
_A1-916_260_INTAKE_zps1b0d6ecd.jpg
_A2-085_260_INTAKE_zps9a7563c0.jpg
[No A3 Intake is known to exist...]
_A4-086_INTAKE_22504068_zps17a8df64.jpg
_A5-212_INTAKE_zpsaac5955f.jpg
"E" for EGR era intakes, iron units made before the AL units were developed?
_E1-559_INTAKE_1_1976-260_Dual-Jet_A1_zps24c77782.jpg
_E3-908_INTAKE_3-558908_zps55ccafd1.jpg
Rare BB intake, judging by the high main ID letter, probably about 1976. Obviously Toronado...
key for finding this thread 13099
Last edited by Octania; April 10th, 2013 at 09:39 AM.
#85
Thanks for the support, sometimes it feels thankless...
So, no one has ever seen a #5 intake? Really?
Anyone got better pix, like the #13?
OH PS a few of the photos I had labelled "opp" for Other People's Parts.... grabbed photo offa apay or whatnot.... if a photo is yours, and you don't wish to share it with the world, just say so.
So, no one has ever seen a #5 intake? Really?
Anyone got better pix, like the #13?
OH PS a few of the photos I had labelled "opp" for Other People's Parts.... grabbed photo offa apay or whatnot.... if a photo is yours, and you don't wish to share it with the world, just say so.
#88
Chris, I've got a #5 on a 1966 330 2bbl engine. It came out of a car with California emissions on it so that may be why it's an odd ball. The engine is still together, buried deep in the bowls of my garage. Remind me next weekend and I'll try to snap a picture of it if you'd like.
John
John
#90
OK, you nitpicking experts:
What's wrong with these pictures? Maybe not "wrong" but "odd"...
13124_D-391136_zps2a047861.jpg
13123
What's wrong with these pictures? Maybe not "wrong" but "odd"...
13124_D-391136_zps2a047861.jpg
13123
#91
#92
Not a nitpicker, but as a brain teaser... I looked at them and believe your point is they have the same casting number (391136) but different casting letters (A vs D). Was that it or is there something else I didn't pick up on?
#93
We have a winner!
Same letter part with differing casting numbers is not uncommon
J std intake vs J 69-H/O intake
W LH vs W RH xst manifold
"H" LH vs "H" RH xst manifolds...
etc. etc.
But the SAME 6-DIGIT CASTING NUMBER on TWO DIFFERENT LETTER code parts is.... odd.
I suspect that when they started making the D manifold, they forgot to change the 6-digit number in the mold. Or, before the end of the run of "A" manifolds, they changed the 6-digit in anticipation?
The "A" is 384438 for '65 2-bbl applications...
B is 384439....
C is 387958
so a 39xxxx number should have come later. Like when the "D" was introduced for the 2nd model year was produced.
'65 First year: A=2bbl; B=4bl
'66 2nd yr: C= Toro; D=2bbl; E= 4bbl; F=3x2
'67 3rd year, F is dropped, G is 2-bbl, and H would have been 3x2
'68 4th year, H=2bbl; J=4bbl; K=Toro
'69 5th year, same H, K, & J-662 std 4-bbl; added J-233 H/O intake;
Same letter part with differing casting numbers is not uncommon
J std intake vs J 69-H/O intake
W LH vs W RH xst manifold
"H" LH vs "H" RH xst manifolds...
etc. etc.
But the SAME 6-DIGIT CASTING NUMBER on TWO DIFFERENT LETTER code parts is.... odd.
I suspect that when they started making the D manifold, they forgot to change the 6-digit number in the mold. Or, before the end of the run of "A" manifolds, they changed the 6-digit in anticipation?
The "A" is 384438 for '65 2-bbl applications...
B is 384439....
C is 387958
so a 39xxxx number should have come later. Like when the "D" was introduced for the 2nd model year was produced.
'65 First year: A=2bbl; B=4bl
'66 2nd yr: C= Toro; D=2bbl; E= 4bbl; F=3x2
'67 3rd year, F is dropped, G is 2-bbl, and H would have been 3x2
'68 4th year, H=2bbl; J=4bbl; K=Toro
'69 5th year, same H, K, & J-662 std 4-bbl; added J-233 H/O intake;
#94
Want to know more about that intake?
The drawing for EE-24350 was created by J. Gray on 8-11-71, with notes that its purpose in Olds Engineering was for "197X Toro Button Valve EGR."
Most of the experimental parts in this time frame were for the 1973 model year, though just three weeks later a draftsman or engineer named Colby created drawings for three intakes (Toro, 350, and 455) for 1972 with notes of "Hole machined for button valve." So maybe 24350 was targetted for 1972 as well.
How do I know this stuff? I'll start another thread to explain.
The drawing for EE-24350 was created by J. Gray on 8-11-71, with notes that its purpose in Olds Engineering was for "197X Toro Button Valve EGR."
Most of the experimental parts in this time frame were for the 1973 model year, though just three weeks later a draftsman or engineer named Colby created drawings for three intakes (Toro, 350, and 455) for 1972 with notes of "Hole machined for button valve." So maybe 24350 was targetted for 1972 as well.
How do I know this stuff? I'll start another thread to explain.
#96
Looks like a pre-H/O prototype modified 398662 with PCV boss but casting ID not changed. Almost like they were going to make all J-398662 intakes with the boss, but only bore it for the nipple if used on H/O.... That late into the production process, the letters K,L,M and such were probably already assigned to other designs, thus the two, now THREE different types of "J" intakes known.
or...
[blashemy]
a real 405233 H/O intake that had its 6-digit changed- see the break line around the 6-digit casting number? Only a blast clean would tell. I assume it is iron. I must say i have never seen one with screw heads adjacent to the "J"
Overall shot of the whole thing?
Where is this thing? Looks like it is installed on an engine.
Fascinating
or...
[blashemy]
a real 405233 H/O intake that had its 6-digit changed- see the break line around the 6-digit casting number? Only a blast clean would tell. I assume it is iron. I must say i have never seen one with screw heads adjacent to the "J"
Overall shot of the whole thing?
Where is this thing? Looks like it is installed on an engine.
Fascinating
Last edited by Octania; September 2nd, 2013 at 06:01 PM.
#98
a couple more pics....the 2bbl out of a 68 Cutlass(350), and the 4bbl I saved from a friend that was taking it to the scrap yard....
Last edited by sammy; September 2nd, 2013 at 06:33 PM. Reason: addition
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Thanks Joe, I figured it was coated I've been trying to find an aluminum copy, just to save the weight. I've got the L69 induction on my car and really like it.
#105
i have a question for you olds experts.. i have this aluminum intake i have had laying around for years.. i was thinking of putting it on my daughters 64 f85 wagon with a 330 engine and a kzf 200r4 trans.. i was thinking that it may be easier to find a bracket for the tv cable on the trans using a q-jet carb over using the original 4jet carb and intake.. i am not looking for performance as much as just a good daily driver and mpg for the car.. i am open to opinions on this .....
there is a CDF 6 cast above the numbers 22504068 in front of the carb flange and a large A4 near the thermostat housing
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there is a CDF 6 cast above the numbers 22504068 in front of the carb flange and a large A4 near the thermostat housing
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#107
Of course, you'll want to swap the throttle shaft from a CCC Qjet to an early Qjet to make the TV cable connection easy. Use the cable bracket from a 307, which bolts to the rear two carb mounting bolts, and this is an easy installation.
#109
First picture is of my plane Jane Edelbrock Performer 455 after I high temp clear-coated(Bad Idea on my part) the cross over ports ended up browning, not terrible but definitely noticeable. Second picture is said intake on the engine during first engine pull. The last two pictures are of the same intake after horrible aluminum oxidation from my car facing a strong headwind all winter blowing salt from the road into the shed my car was in( I was devastated how my engine looked in the spring) caused me to do an engine pull at the end of last summer. I sandblasted it and painted it black and red.
#110
i may not have that problem.. the car originally came with a 330 2bbl with a non factory a/c.. looks like the bracket bolts to a intake to head bolt
http://s202.photobucket.com/user/rcp...ar016.jpg.html
http://s202.photobucket.com/user/rcp...ar016.jpg.html
#111
sorry i see the bracket now.. i thought you meant the a/c bracket.. si i guess maybe i should just make a TV bracket and leave the 4jet carb.. unless i just happen to have a good q-jet on my shelf somewhere that would get better performance and mpg.
#113
well after checking a little more i think i will just use my stock 64 330 intake.. i have a new eldelbrock 1406 carb and a 1" spacer sitting in the shop i will put on it.. i seen some kits for putting a tv cable on that carb somewhere?. i think that would be best for what i am doing and what i already have.. i need to sell that stock A4 intake any suggestions on what a reasonable price would be for it?.. i will also need to sell my original 4jet carb it worked good, but i think it would be just too hard to get a tv cable to hook to it.
#114
#115
#116
for my 455 going in my 65 cutlass. an old offenhauser dual q jet. no part numbers on it
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#117
an other pic of it,these are not the carbs going on it,i have 2 chevy ones so the gas lines will clear. even thought about 2 dual jets,they look like q jets but would be easier on gas. just ideas. any input apreaciated.
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Last edited by oldolds88; March 21st, 2014 at 08:57 AM.
#118
Of course, I'd personally take the Edelbrock O65 dual quad intake over the Offy. The Ebrock intake is a dual plane design, which is preferable for the street, especially with 1000 CFM or more.
#119
As you probably know, the Offy intake is designed for square bore carbs. Your Qjets appear to have the crappy die cast adapter plates, which can be more of a flow restriction than anything else. Personally, I'd get a pair of 500 CFM Ebrocks with a nice progressive linkage. These would be a better match CFM wise and allow you to dump the crappy adapter plates.
Of course, I'd personally take the Edelbrock O65 dual quad intake over the Offy. The Ebrock intake is a dual plane design, which is preferable for the street, especially with 1000 CFM or more.
Of course, I'd personally take the Edelbrock O65 dual quad intake over the Offy. The Ebrock intake is a dual plane design, which is preferable for the street, especially with 1000 CFM or more.
yeah theyre crappy adapters,but just using them fo mock up,need clearance for the water neck. this intake is for q jets,but it has no numbers on it. just offenhauser in the middle and on both sides.
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