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Old Dec 26, 2018 | 02:28 PM
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Jack stowage question

Hey all when I bought my 72 Supreme there was no bumper jack so I'm in the process of replacing it. I have all of the hardware and the complete jack assembly. I'll be using a 15 inch SSIII wheel for my spare. My question is can anyone tell me how or post a pic of the proper placement for the hook and the base and how to secure them?
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Old Dec 26, 2018 | 03:05 PM
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Page 10-8 of 1972 CSM
Old Dec 26, 2018 | 05:08 PM
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And of course, you'll need this:




And two of these:


Old Dec 26, 2018 | 07:02 PM
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Already got 'em😀...
Which brings me to another question...if my car came with plain steel wheels originally, would there still be the mounting tabs in the trunk for where the clips for the jack handle would go as illustrated in the pics above? Or were the tabs only installed if cars had Super Stock wheels?
Old Dec 26, 2018 | 08:29 PM
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Here’s the plain steel wheel set up


Old Dec 27, 2018 | 01:52 AM
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Hmm...after taking a second look at the setup for the SS wheels, it looks like the clips for the handle are bolted directly to the trunk pan. If that's the case, I dunno if I'm Keen on the idea of drilling holes for the bolts, so I may have to figure something else out. Is there any reason why I can't stow the handle the as shown for the plain wheels?
Old Dec 27, 2018 | 04:39 AM
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The SS wheels use a "lug nut" type of hold down through one of the lug holes.....I use the jack handle to tighten the spare in place, so I need access to the handle. The steel wheels use a "wing nut"and jack base to hold the spare in place....the handle isn't needed to tighten down the spare. I assume the SS hold down is done this way to keep from scuffing up the wheel.
Old Dec 27, 2018 | 11:11 AM
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Dave,
As mentioned to you already in another correspondence, the J hook for the hold down nut is shorter than the stock one used to hold down steel wheels. Don't worry about drilling holes for the clips, GM never worried.
Old Dec 27, 2018 | 01:57 PM
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If anyone that has a 72 Cutlass Supreme with SS wheels could give me the measurements for the distance between the holes for the jack handle clips, I'd appreciate it😀
Old Dec 27, 2018 | 02:41 PM
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This is from the Assembly Manual.....It's tough to read, I'll send some pics of my Supreme's clips & measurements
Old Dec 27, 2018 | 03:59 PM
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4” From pan seam

9.5” & 16” from latch strike assembly
Old Dec 27, 2018 | 05:57 PM
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Now all we need is the distance between the 2 clips
Old Dec 27, 2018 | 07:19 PM
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Now all we need is the distance between the 2 clips
We have that distance, 16” - 9.5” = 6.5”
Old Dec 27, 2018 | 07:35 PM
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I thought on 68-72s the tire iron clips mount on the 45* slope, not on the horizontal shelf...Im using 68-69 as the reference.

Yes SS1-3s have this setup. Steel wheels with hubcaps use the cardboard cover and the tire iron is under the spare secured with a rubber sleeve on the jack. See the Fusick catalog for those details.

https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...-68-442-a.html
Old Dec 27, 2018 | 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by droldsmorland
I thought on 68-72s the tire iron clips mount on the 45* slope, not on the horizontal shelf...Im using 68-69 as the reference.
That's my question too...does the handle mount to the "slope" or on the "shelf". The jacking instruction decal seems to show it mounted on the slope, but in Dave26s pics, it looks like it's on the horizontal shelf, so where exactly does it go?
Old Dec 28, 2018 | 04:30 AM
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[QUOTE=droldsmorland;1143993]I thought on 68-72s the tire iron clips mount on the 45* slope, not on the horizontal shelf...Im using 68-69 as the reference.
I have a later production ‘72 Supreme convertible, the trunk pan is original with no signs of the clips ever being moved. I did notice in the CSM diagram the clips were on the slope. Another one of the oddity’s of these old cars.
Old Dec 28, 2018 | 07:19 AM
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[QUOTE=Dave26;1144036]
Originally Posted by droldsmorland
I thought on 68-72s the tire iron clips mount on the 45* slope, not on the horizontal shelf...Im using 68-69 as the reference.
I have a later production ‘72 Supreme convertible, the trunk pan is original with no signs of the clips ever being moved. I did notice in the CSM diagram the clips were on the slope. Another one of the oddity’s of these old cars.
So yours is on the horizontal shelf?
Old Dec 28, 2018 | 07:32 AM
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The 1969 PIM shows the location of the drilled holes for the clips on the slope, with dimensions provided in PIM Section 0, drawing no. 146. The 1970 PIM also shows the clips on the slope, but the diagram for spare tire stowage in Section 10 says to "drill at dimples" in the trunk floorpan. There is no drawing with dimensions in Section 0 of the 1970 PIM.
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[QUOTE=72455;1144070]
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So yours is on the horizontal shelf?
Yes, mine is on the horizontal shelf.
Old Dec 28, 2018 | 09:32 AM
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[QUOTE=Dave26;1144087]
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Yes, mine is on the horizontal shelf.
Ok thanks. I think I'll put mine on the slope.
Old Dec 28, 2018 | 11:26 AM
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[QUOTE=72455;1144070]
Originally Posted by Dave26
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So yours is on the horizontal shelf?
EDIT....Nope its on the slope.

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Old Dec 28, 2018 | 01:57 PM
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This one is on the horizontal shelf. This past summer I replaced the original trunk mat. Had the original not been disintegrating from age it would still be there. The car has it’s original trunk pan with no patches. Maybe just a substitute on the assembly line that day.
Old Dec 28, 2018 | 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave26
This one is on the horizontal shelf. This past summer I replaced the original trunk mat. Had the original not been disintegrating from age it would still be there. The car has it’s original trunk pan with no patches. Maybe just a substitute on the assembly line that day.
Was this car factory-ordered with SSII/III wheels, or was this possibly a dealer installation?
Old Dec 28, 2018 | 03:01 PM
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Actually putting it on the horizontal shelf makes a lot more sense than the slope. The handle and clips are out of the way from loading a tire into the trunk and hitting the clips which would otherwise have been on that slope. Just my opinion.
Old Dec 28, 2018 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
Was this car factory-ordered with SSII/III wheels, or was this possibly a dealer installation?
Joe, I don’t know if it had the SSII’s from the factory. My guess is probably yes, as it came with power windows, air, Hurst Dual Gate, & 4 spoke steering wheel. However, as we know, there is no way to know for sure.
Old Dec 28, 2018 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Allan R
Actually putting it on the horizontal shelf makes a lot more sense than the slope. The handle and clips are out of the way from loading a tire into the trunk and hitting the clips which would otherwise have been on that slope. Just my opinion.
Now that you mention it Allan, that does make sense. And from what's been discussed here, whether it's on the slope or on the shelf, either way would be correct, right?
Old Dec 29, 2018 | 06:17 AM
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And from what's been discussed here, whether it's on the slope or on the shelf, either way would be correct, right?
I don't know how you inferred that. "Correct" is what is spelled out in the factory documentation. The factory engineering drawings reproduced in the PIM are what were used to assemble the car on the assembly line. All of them show the clips on the slope. Unless there is a Dealer Service Guild bulletin that changes the location of the clips, on the slope is "correct", meaning built the way the factory engineers designed it. If you don't care about that, then put the clips wherever you want.
Old Dec 29, 2018 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
I don't know how you inferred that. "Correct" is what is spelled out in the factory documentation. The factory engineering drawings reproduced in the PIM are what were used to assemble the car on the assembly line. All of them show the clips on the slope. Unless there is a Dealer Service Guild bulletin that changes the location of the clips, on the slope is "correct", meaning built the way the factory engineers designed it. If you don't care about that, then put the clips wherever you want.
I want it it to be right, that's why I decided to put them on the slope. The reason I asked that question was because Dave26s is on the shelf and nobody seemed to question it, so I just wanted clarification.
Thanks Joe,
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Old Dec 31, 2018 | 07:25 AM
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Does the jack post/mechamism just "lay" under the tire?
Old Dec 31, 2018 | 07:28 AM
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Does the jack post/mechamism just "lay" under the tire?
Yes. The tire clamps the jack in place.
Old Dec 31, 2018 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
Yes. The tire clamps the jack in place.
Thanks Joe...
Old Dec 31, 2018 | 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
Yes. The tire clamps the jack in place.
Question...if the tire clamps the jack in place, then it seems to me the tire doesn't sit flat on the trunk floor. Looking at the diagram, it looks to me like the base gets '''wedged" under the tire. If the tire doesn't sit flat, how does the base stay in place?
Old Dec 31, 2018 | 09:20 PM
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The tire sits on BOTH the jack and the base. The hold down bolt goes through one of the lug holes in the wheel, the nut snugs the tire against the trunk pan, holding everything in place.
Old Dec 31, 2018 | 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave26
The tire sits on BOTH the jack and the base. The hold down bolt goes through one of the lug holes in the wheel, the nut snugs the tire against the trunk pan, holding everything in place.
Thanks Dave...after I posted that question I thought about it and figured it out. Now I have another question...where does the "danger" sticker for the hook go? I'm thinking it should be at the top of the hook right above the rubber pad...am I right?
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Originally Posted by Dave26
The tire sits on BOTH the jack and the base. The hold down bolt goes through one of the lug holes in the wheel, the nut snugs the tire against the trunk pan, holding everything in place.
I'll add that the tire is flexible. As you clamp it down, the sidewall deflects to conform to the irregular shapes.
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