In a 15 inch Olds Rally Wheel how do I identify if it is an SS1 or SS2 etc.

In looking at a picture which Rally wheels have bolt on center caps and which have clip in caps?

How about size of trim rings? A 15x7 stock SS wheel takes what size of trim ring?

Is there anything special about the lugs?

Are the chrome "window" trims all the same for the different wheels?

I am trying to buy a set of these 15x7 for a driver car. Does not need to be "perfectly" correct. It should have 15x7 Olds Rallys though.

If anyone knows where I can get a reasonably priced set of these a contact would be appreciated.



Thank you.

 

From the factory, no SSIs were 15" - totally different style from the SSIIs and SSIIIs. All SSIIs had bolt on caps through 1974, all were snap on after that. 1974 was the only year for a 15" bolt in center SSII. The stainless bezel trim was the same through the '70s but sometime in the '80s another style appeared with more angular corners - much more squared than the softer rounder edges of the earlier bezels.

Terry

 

What is this? These are 15 inch wheels.

 

1975 and later SSII/SSIII. What year and model are you putting them on? I'll say that those will cost a lot less and be much easier to find than the 1974-only ones with bolt on caps that are in the same style as the 68-72 rims.

Terry

 

Those are 15x7 SSII/III wheels from 1975-up. The snap-in centers were first used in the 1975 model year. The only difference between SSII and SSIII wheels is the paint color. SSII wheels were argent (silver). SSIII wheels were painted lower body color.

 

My car is a 70 Cutlass Convertible. I am doing a W-30 Clone so originality are not that critical to me. Do want to put Olds Rallys on it--definitely want 15 inch.

Are the snap in centers secure--as in they don't fall without provocation?

 

You mention in the same style as 68-72.

Are the 75 and up SSI and SSII a different looking rim than the 68-72?

 

Same general look except for center cap. Since we corresponded last I have acquired another set of 15" x 7" SS II wheels, call if interested? The snap on caps, when in good condition, will not just fall off, you have to gently pry them off the wheels.
Scott
c. 317-727-7041

 

SSI:


SSII (argent grey)/SSIII (lower body color):

 

As previously stated, there were no '75-up SSI wheels.

The "early" '68-'74 SSII/SSIII with bolt in center caps look almost identical to the "late" '75-'77 SSIII wheels. There is a very minor difference in the lug bolt area and where the caps attach, but it is not really noticeable unless you look at the wheels side by side.

Below are pictures of the 14x7s that were on my car for years and the 15x7s that I restored and put on in 2014.

Left: 14x7 SSIII bolt-in center caps, 245-60-14 tires..Right: 15x7 SSIII snap-in center caps, 245-60-15 tires

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Yes, they are secure and actually take a bit of force to remove, as long as the tabs are adjusted correctly. There are 5 metal tabs that hold the wheels in. If they caps are loose, the tabs can be bent outward to tighten them up.

 

Kenneth,
Great comparison!

 

I'll take 4 of the ones on the right.

 

Yes. It also illustrates that the 14" and 15" SSII/III wheels use the same center disk diameter, which is why the 15" versions don't provide much additional clearance for oversize disk brakes. Of course, both sizes clear the factory disks.

 

 

I have a set of 4 SSII wheels all 4 with 2 centers and 2 trim rings $300 matthewsteinfeld@Hotmail.com

 

Not to confuse matters but, there was an all chrome SS1 with no trim rings. Available in 1971 only.

 

I think this can be confusing to many people. I think the style of wheel and cap style should be the only consideration, regardless of color or chrome. I know many might not agree with me but I consider any factory magnum 500 style wheel, the 60's chrome 14x6, the 70-72 14x7 all black with satin chrome spokes and stainless beauty ring, or the 71 only all chrome 14x7 as an SSI. I consider any 14x6, 14x7, or 15x7, even the 69 HO wheels, with the large bolt-on cap as an SSII regardless of color. I then consider any snap-on cap 14x6, 14x7, or 15x7 painted or chrome wheel to be an SSIII. I think this simplifies it even if it is not technically correct.

 

Not only is it not technically correct, it increases the confusion because it is wrong.

Language is the ability to communicate using mutually agreed terms to represent an item or idea. The Oldsmobile factory, who created the term "Super Stock" wheel, clearly intended for SSII to mean the argent wheels and SSIII to mean the body color wheels, not the center type.

Here is a page from the 1972 Oldsmobile Salesman's SPECS booklet. Note that RPO N66 is Super Stock II argent wheels and N67 is Super Stock III lower body color wheels. ALL 1972 SSII/III wheels used bolt-in centers.

 

I had some SS1 wheels converted from 14" to 15".

That way you get the original look in a bigger size, and can use trim rings.

Never liked the all chrome SS1 look.

 

I was looking for some help. By reading above, should I assume that since the SSII's came out in '74, that my '73 Omega has the SSI wheels? I do know they are original, not something the previous owner later installed, and they are 14" rim/tires.

I have an opportunity to purchase new center caps and wanted to know if the seller has a set that will work on my car. It sounds like as long as they are bolt on, not snap in, then they should work?

The seller says the part number is: 416393, I haven't yet had a chance to pull a tire to look at the part number on mine but the part sheet I have on the '73 Omega's says the following:

Hub cap 73-74 412682
Wheel Cover 14" 73 412662

So my question is which one is the center cap and would these 416393 parts be interchangeable?

Thanks in advance for assistance.

 

I'm afraid you're a little confused. The SSII/III style wheels came out in the 1968 model year in the 14x6 size. The 14x7s came out in the 1970 model year. The 15x7s were first available in the 1974 model year (ignoring the special wheels on the 1969 H/O), which is the reference above. The only difference between SSII and SSIII wheels is paint color. SSIIs are argent (silver-grey), SSIIIs are lower body color. The 1968-74 SSII/III wheels used bolt-in centers like yours. The 1975-up used snap-in centers. The part number you listed is for the snap-in center and will not fit your wheels.

 

Thanks Joe,

You saved me the trouble of purchasing something that wouldn't fit, then having to re-sell!

I appreciate the help. (my wife also reminds me daily that I'm confused) So I have the 14 X 7 super stock III wheels, painted the same color as the body. Bolt on style.

Thanks again!

 

Great picture!!

 

Joe Killer jpg. Can you add the early SS1 to this as well? Looks the same as the "71 only" but I believe its a 14x6" rim, which will not work with disc brakes.

 

I wish I could, but it's not my graphic. I stole it from Google Images (though it DID come from this site).

 

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv...531968925.html

Thanks again for all the help on this question. If anyone is looking for those '75 snap-on caps, they are still on Craigslist, $85 for a set of 4, they look brand new. The seller seems only interested in you driving to his house with cash, he didn't seem interested in shipping anything.

He also had these dealer plates for sale, all 6 for $40, but they are no longer available.

I looked again today, he dropped the price to $80

 

I have a set of the painted Cutlass rims (ss2?) they are 15" .Can I use these15" rims on my 1971 Cutlass supreme ?
Thank you

 

Yes

 

Yes. Any 15" SS2 or 3 from 69-87 will bolt on and fit disc brake cars.
The 14" wheel will need to be verified to have the right off set to clear calipers.

Snap on or bolt on centers will determine approximate YOM. So will the ID stampings on the rim.

If you look through this thread it will guide you.

 

Any 14" SSII or SSIII will clear factory calipers.

It's the 66-67 and a little bit of 68 SSIs that won't.

 

 

These are 15x7. The correct way to measure wheels is to the bead seating surfaces.

 

Sorry for being dumb, but I need to know what YOM stands for ? ,year of model ?

Can I put tires on these rims and bolt them on the 71 Cutlass Supreme ?????

Tire size recommendations ?

Coker BF Goodrich Radial TA?

Thank you very much !!!

 

Year Of Manufacture, and yes they will fit

 

Thank you joe p any tire size recommendations ?

 

If you want the same size on all four corners, 245/60-15. The rears can easily take 275/60-15 if you want the staggered look.

 

Hello Joe
What is the smallest size I can use with these rims
Thank you
James

 

These wheels came with tires as narrow as 195/75-15s from the factory. I've run 255/60-15s.

 

Thank you Joe
I am thinking 205's or 195 's in front and 220's,Iin back,BF Goodrich TA radials
From what I have gathered, I will have no fitment issues in the front while turning

 

I would like to know who makes a rattle can for the darker color (Dupli color # ?)
and maybe the color code ?

One mystery about the car is it is painted the darker color like the second pic ,but the under side of the trunk lid is the burnt orange color like the first pic
I do not know the original color it was when manufactured

Is that color info , a code somewhere on the door panel, stamp ?

I believe the darker color is called Sienna but any paint chip examples of it , look brown and not copper ?

I would like a recommended spray can , primer and finish coating for this repainting of rims project
I do not know if they would need a more durable paint for rims ?

I would like to know the trim ring size for these rims ,and maybe where to get a set ,I do not know the trim ring size for the pictured rims

The car was wrecked before I bought it in my youth and the clip ,I believe was replaced and the car was repainted with the darker color?
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I am going to blast my rims mentioned and pictured in my post, And want to paint the rims to match the car

I would like to know the trim ring size and maybe where to get a set ,I do not know the proper trim ring size for the pictured rims

I believe these take the snap in centers ? Where to find 4 of those too

Another stupid thing I did was to remove all ot the black bolts that connect the convertible top frame to the hydraulics tha move the top up and down
The top would not go up and down with out a lot of effort and I though maybe the rams were bad ? , then I found out it could have been an easy fix by adding more fluid .I did not know there was a reservoir.

I put the black bolts in a bag but have not seen the bag for over 20 years they are somewhere in my garage ?

I would like to know where to buy them or what the sizes and metal strength to maybe get from the big hardware guys ( ? & ?, cant remember though

I need 20 lug nuts too I do not know what the stock ones were with these rims , I imagine stainless or chrome capped or acorn? , recommended place to purchase maybe?
Sorry for all the stuff in one thread , I appreciate everyone's help and any responses !!!