raw442

I have no clutch assy. present at all, but what is this hole? I thought this car was an automatic.

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L69

Looks like a factory hole with the tranny hump installed on a 69 and prior car. Only thing missing is the seam sealer around the hole. Every 66 4 speed that I have dissassembled always has seam sealer around the metal to metal edge.

raw442

My car is a 1969 442. Trans was gone and the motor has been swapped out.

TK-65

Yes that car was a manual trans car when new.

raw442

Will a 4 speed from a mid 70's Camaro bolt onto a Olds engine?

archeryshooter

yes with the right flywheel,clutch and bell housing

raw442

So is $250 a good price for the Chevy Saginaw 4 speed?

507OLDS

I would not bother with the Saginaw.There are plenty of correct 69 M21's floating around,for a little more money.

archeryshooter

Thats not a bad price if its good they are not that bad of a tranny the m-21 maybe a bit stronger but its all in what you want to spend and as far as chevy goes its a GM tranny there are diff gear spacing that you can tell from looking at the number of rings machined into the input shafts. If you plan on hammering on it the M-21 will last longer Ive seen them sell from$600 to $1200 for a rebuilt at swap meets

garys 68

Definitely not behind a 455. Saginaws are very weak. Gey a Muncie or T10.

joe_padavano

It is not unheard of for someone to convert a manual trans car to an automatic. Does the trans VIN derivative match the car? Is the bracket for the clutch equalizer shaft (the Z-bar) still present on the frame? Is the ball stud still on the side of the block?

TK-65

I may be wrong here but a T-10 shifter location will not exactly match that hole in the floor.

TK-65

The red car in my sig had a manual to auto conversion done. Someone welded a plate over the manual hole, cut another on top for a auto shifter, and removed the clutch pedal.

The frame pivot, rod boot still on the firewall (plus the hole for the rod to pass thru) and that hole under the plate told me the car was a stick when new.

raw442

Is this the 'z-bar"?
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The motor is not original.

CRUZN 66

Yes, It is part of the clutch setup... It is the frame bracket for the outer pivot of the Z-Bar.....

raw442

Thanks you all for your help. This input has changed my mind on the set up of the car. I was planning on putting a TH400 auto into it because I thought that's what it came with. But now I know I MUST go back with a 4 speed trans and either the 400 or a 455. I know the car should have came with a 400 in it too.

L69

yes that is def an original 4 speed car. That is the frame mount that connects to the z bar.

Eddie Hansen

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooohhh I do like the sound of that

and when ya think about it ( I know it is a GTO song But...) 3 deuces and a turbo 400 just doesn't have a ring to it...

or My turbo 400 dual quad posi-traction 409
(409, 409, 409, 409)
......

you do see where I am goin with this

and even blondie ( way back when well you know these lyrics aren't for an automatic LOL

You know he can't be tested.
He can't be read or found.
Urban gray takes breath away.
He wants to push his pedal to the ground.
And the night's what's right.
Puts him at the wheel.
Well, I eat danger.
Any stranger is all right.
Feel hot to go like Jimmy O.
Dodging flying objects at the show.
And the lights make me fight.
In Detroit 442...
Maybe, baby, I could ride with you.
This town's a concrete factory and dad and mom look just like me.
I'm on the plant assembly line.
Too late now.
Too far behind!
You said you wanna hang around.
No one really cares where you go.
Take your time.
Things never change.
In Detroit 442 maybe baby I could ride with you.
One more to market, one more piggie, and they all, they all look just like me, yeah

just sayin